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  1. 06-29-2011 #76
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    Mel,

    IF you could prove me wrong please do. Responding off topic makes me look even more correct.


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    Not as good as the original.
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  3. 06-29-2011 #78
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    I win again. Great conversation. But without any comments cut and pasted from local SA sports of Pops comments I wouldnt think you have much to say.


    I take comfort in knowing you need tutoring and I am sorry if I am impatient with you. I will slow down
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  4. 06-29-2011 #79
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    Quote Originally Posted by pancakechef
    Mel,

    IF you could prove me wrong please do. Responding off topic makes me look even more correct.


    Thanks AGain
    You need to prove yourself right first, dip .

    The only place that there is a presumption that you are right is in your own head.
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  5. 06-29-2011 #80
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    Not as good as the original.

    Take note. Your schtick has been done already, and done with much more style:

    http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=157895
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  6. 06-29-2011 #81
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    I already proven myself right. Unfortunately people on here are just FO yes men who cant have opinions of their own. Better though. I have seen some people try to come up with an analysis on here. Stick to being yes men. Makes you look less stupid.

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    Nah, you're wrong. It's been proved.

    See? We can do it too.

    GAME OVER
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    Nice post, EHJ.
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  10. 06-29-2011 #85
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    Quote Originally Posted by pancakechef
    Again, the ignorance on here is AMAZING. Please tell me the difference between the regular season and the playoffs..... TEMPO.

    We ran the ball in the regular season allowing RJ's crap 1/2 court offense to be slightly miraged by pacing. When we got to the playoffs we slowed it down and ran 1/2 with TP/Manu and Tim.

    This has NOTHING to do with restructuring. It has everything to do with PLAYING TO YOUR STRENGTHS. If we arent running the ball then Jefferson shouldnt be playing OR on our team. If we picked up Jefferson since we thought he could provide offense WHICH WE DID, then WE NEED TO PLAY IN A SYSTEM THAT ALLOWS US TO UTILIZE HIM FOR WHAT HE DOES BEST.

    Quite Frankly, it doesnt matter how you respond. I am correct. If I werent then RJ would have great years in a slow paced offensive scheme. He never has.

    The fact that you think just because a player has success in an entirely different system and that will translate well into our stubborn old system is the problem with 99% of the homers (posters) on the site.

    Take a class in statistical analysis, learn the game, watch the game, then comment.

    Makes it better for you in the end.

    Appreciate the teaching opportunity.
    The key to up tempo basketball is outside shooting. No outside shooting = no defensive gaps for a pg to exploit, narrower passing lanes, and requires much more time to get a decent shot inside of 18 feet or so. Had the Spurs shooters been hitting jumpshots at their regular season rate, then you would have seen a much different outcome to the series.

    If you want an example, lets use Parker. Game 5 in overtime, Parker finally strings together a couple of jumpers and the Grizzlies defense starts to fall apart giving the Spurs the victory easily in OT. The Grizz are a young team against an old team, and should have been the team with the most energy and speed. Yet, something so simple as 1 player hitting consecutive jumpers, could completely derail their defense.
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  11. 06-29-2011 #86
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    Quote Originally Posted by xellos88330
    The key to up tempo basketball is outside shooting. No outside shooting = no defensive gaps for a pg to exploit, narrower passing lanes, and requires much more time to get a decent shot inside of 18 feet or so. Had the Spurs shooters been hitting jumpshots at their regular season rate, then you would have seen a much different outcome to the series.

    If you want an example, lets use Parker. Game 5 in overtime, Parker finally strings together a couple of jumpers and the Grizzlies defense starts to fall apart giving the Spurs the victory easily in OT. The Grizz are a young team against an old team, and should have been the team with the most energy and speed. Yet, something so simple as 1 player hitting consecutive jumpers, could completely derail their defense.
    No, the key to up-tempo basket ball is aggressive defending, and the ability to get the ball into transition. Parker cant do this effectively. He can attack the rim but court vision is low. Additionally PNR does not cons ute up-tempo, which is what we ran almost every time.

    We had no one to attack the rim either. Our bigs (McD) has no post up game and cant run the floor.
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  12. 06-29-2011 #87
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    Quote Originally Posted by pancakechef
    No, the key to up-tempo basket ball is aggressive defending, and the ability to get the ball into transition. Parker cant do this effectively. He can attack the rim but court vision is low. Additionally PNR does not cons ute up-tempo, which is what we ran almost every time.

    We had no one to attack the rim either. Our bigs (McD) has no post up game and cant run the floor.
    If you have no shooters to force a defender to make a decision while running a break, where is the best opportunity to score? THE PAINT!!! If you know that the shooters are not at the top of their game, what happens? You defend THE PAINT therefore destroying the opportunity. The Spurs were using pick and roll a lot because they didn't have any other choice once the break was broken up. All the defenders were sagging into the paint because nobody could hit a consistent jumper and causing the passing lanes to narrow, and it also denied penetration forcing the Spurs to make the outside shot to beat them. The shooters weren't up to the task. PnR can be considered up tempo depending on how fast you set it up. If you want an example, look at PHX. They are widely considered up tempo, and would always use the Stoudemire/Nash PnR. Yet nobody was calling them a half court team because they were PnR dominant.

    The Spurs weren't just considered up tempo, but deadly efficient. Why is that? You couldn't leave a Spur with an open shot. It was more than likely going to be 2 or 3 points if you gave them the daylight. Memphis dared the shooters to beat them, and the shooters weren't up to it, therefore destroying the Spurs tempo. On the other side of the court, every damn one of Memphis' players were knocking down jumpers. Or didn't you notice that too? How hard is it to play defense and get into transition when you can't defend all 5 positions on the court? Once again, this contributed to the Spurs' seeming lack of up-tempo basketball. Had the Spurs shooters continued shooting as they did in the regular season, the Spurs would have won that series easily as now Memphis is forced to play the Spurs game.
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  13. 06-29-2011 #88
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    In fairness, the Grizzlies perimeter defenders were overplaying the perimeter and counting on Gasol to clean up the mess. Manu made Allen look stupid several times because of it. Overall it worked because just like against Ibaka, Tony and to a lesser extent Manu would not challenge Gasol at the rim.

    Gasol was amazing that series.

    We had no one to contend with their bigs. McDyess was courageous but he had to give everything he got to just keep Randolph out of the paint and no one else could rebound after a good defensive possession.

    And pancake, you are really dumb. Parker is not effective in an up tempo game or in transition? Just shoot yourself, please. We are more stupid for having read you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
    In fairness, the Grizzlies perimeter defenders were overplaying the perimeter and counting on Gasol to clean up the mess. Manu made Allen look stupid several times because of it. Overall it worked because just like against Ibaka, Tony and to a lesser extent Manu would not challenge Gasol at the rim.

    Gasol was amazing that series.

    We had no one to contend with their bigs. McDyess was courageous but he had to give everything he got to just keep Randolph out of the paint and no one else could rebound after a good defensive possession.

    And pancake, you are really dumb. Parker is not effective in an up tempo game or in transition? Just shoot yourself, please. We are more stupid for having read you.
    Quality observation, Fuzzy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solid D
    Quality observation, Fuzzy.

    No gold star?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
    No gold star?

    Let's not get carried away.

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    Thanks Ed...got me really excited to see this guy..after this lockout bull .
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    Quote Originally Posted by TJastal
    lmao getting all excited over a scrimmage where guys are half assing
    I meant exciting in the purest sense of the word. In that, it's exciting to think about what he can bring. I'm not bouncing off the walls and salivating. I would like to point out, though, that while you're being pessimistic and pointing out that they're "half assing", Leonard was still playing defense. THAT is a good sign. Even during a half-speed scrimmage, he doesn't just give up easy buckets because it doesn't count, he actually got two blocks. That to me is exciting because it speaks volumes about his work ethic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
    In fairness, the Grizzlies perimeter defenders were overplaying the perimeter and counting on Gasol to clean up the mess. Manu made Allen look stupid several times because of it. Overall it worked because just like against Ibaka, Tony and to a lesser extent Manu would not challenge Gasol at the rim.

    Gasol was amazing that series.

    We had no one to contend with their bigs. McDyess was courageous but he had to give everything he got to just keep Randolph out of the paint and no one else could rebound after a good defensive possession.

    And pancake, you are really dumb. Parker is not effective in an up tempo game or in transition? Just shoot yourself, please. We are more stupid for having read you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
    In fairness, the Grizzlies perimeter defenders were overplaying the perimeter and counting on Gasol to clean up the mess. Manu made Allen look stupid several times because of it. Overall it worked because just like against Ibaka, Tony and to a lesser extent Manu would not challenge Gasol at the rim.

    Gasol was amazing that series.

    We had no one to contend with their bigs. McDyess was courageous but he had to give everything he got to just keep Randolph out of the paint and no one else could rebound after a good defensive possession.

    And pancake, you are really dumb. Parker is not effective in an up tempo game or in transition? Just shoot yourself, please. We are more stupid for having read you.
    still cant even win the series when we got them into foul trouble or tony allen fouling out of the games, cant help it when conley + mayo fluking shots on our backcourt...fck there bigs against our soft bigs....where was that intensity we showed all year, none of that aggression was shown in the playoffs....
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    nice read
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  22. 06-30-2011 #97
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    Quote Originally Posted by xellos88330
    If you have no shooters to force a defender to make a decision while running a break, where is the best opportunity to score? THE PAINT!!! If you know that the shooters are not at the top of their game, what happens? You defend THE PAINT therefore destroying the opportunity. The Spurs were using pick and roll a lot because they didn't have any other choice once the break was broken up. All the defenders were sagging into the paint because nobody could hit a consistent jumper and causing the passing lanes to narrow, and it also denied penetration forcing the Spurs to make the outside shot to beat them. The shooters weren't up to the task. PnR can be considered up tempo depending on how fast you set it up. If you want an example, look at PHX. They are widely considered up tempo, and would always use the Stoudemire/Nash PnR. Yet nobody was calling them a half court team because they were PnR dominant.

    The Spurs weren't just considered up tempo, but deadly efficient. Why is that? You couldn't leave a Spur with an open shot. It was more than likely going to be 2 or 3 points if you gave them the daylight. Memphis dared the shooters to beat them, and the shooters weren't up to it, therefore destroying the Spurs tempo. On the other side of the court, every damn one of Memphis' players were knocking down jumpers. Or didn't you notice that too? How hard is it to play defense and get into transition when you can't defend all 5 positions on the court? Once again, this contributed to the Spurs' seeming lack of up-tempo basketball. Had the Spurs shooters continued shooting as they did in the regular season, the Spurs would have won that series easily as now Memphis is forced to play the Spurs game.
    We had no transition game. It doesnt take OUTSIDE SHOOTING. It takes a PG with court vision to run. Parker takes it to the rim. And although the best part of his game is finishing at the rim, his selfishness is ultimately a killer because he CANNOT GET ANYONE ELSE GOING.

    Thinking TP has transition game is ignorant. Just because he makes layups doesnt make him a good transition player.

    STUPID
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    Quote Originally Posted by pancakechef
    We had no transition game. It doesnt take OUTSIDE SHOOTING. It takes a PG with court vision to run. Parker takes it to the rim. And although the best part of his game is finishing at the rim, his selfishness is ultimately a killer because he CANNOT GET ANYONE ELSE GOING.

    Thinking TP has transition game is ignorant. Just because he makes layups doesnt make him a good transition player.

    STUPID
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    Quote Originally Posted by pancakechef
    We had no transition game. It doesnt take OUTSIDE SHOOTING. It takes a PG with court vision to run. Parker takes it to the rim. And although the best part of his game is finishing at the rim, his selfishness is ultimately a killer because he CANNOT GET ANYONE ELSE GOING.

    Thinking TP has transition game is ignorant. Just because he makes layups doesnt make him a good transition player.

    STUPID
    That's really dumb. I agree that TP has low court vision, but to say that he's not great in transition is asinine. If he's able to get the ball in transition and he scores, that's being good in transition because whether he scores or he hands the ball off to RJ to score, the points are the same. I'm not a huge fan of TP and I'd be okay with seeing him go for a more pass-happy PG, but you don't make sense.

    I'm curious, which Spurs player(s) DO you like? You bash a large part of the organization, which players do you actually cheer for?
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