Kawhi Leonard - thoughts from someone who's actually seen him play

[EmantheSpursFan]

Abunassar: Leonard's Shooting Form Correctable

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...rm_Correctable

sorry if posted, cant wait to see this guy next season! I think he's going to be used a lot by pop (tony parker style)

[pancakechef]

Hey no basketball IQ... IT TAKES MORE THAN DRIVING TO THE RIM to be considered A GOOD TRANSITION PLAYER. A GOOD TRANSITION PLAYER gets it into the open court and finds players AS WELL AS DRIVES to the lane. There were countless times tony passed up an open teammate to miss a layup and complain about no foul. Good transition means making good decisions, not just being one dimensional.

Fact is a good pg would know that to get shooters going you have to build confidence. An easy way to get a shooters confidence up is to ASSIST them with easy layup opportunities. TONY DOESNT DO THAT IN TRANSITION or in the half court game. If you dont believe that youre a re because tony's assists come DIRECTLY off PNR situations.

Its funny that you know so little about the game. You should pay more attention to how the game is played rather than trying to "prove me wrong"

Eat up ladies

[xellos88330]

Hey no basketball IQ... IT TAKES MORE THAN DRIVING TO THE RIM to be considered A GOOD TRANSITION PLAYER. A GOOD TRANSITION PLAYER gets it into the open court and finds players AS WELL AS DRIVES to the lane. There were countless times tony passed up an open teammate to miss a layup and complain about no foul. Good transition means making good decisions, not just being one dimensional.

Fact is a good pg would know that to get shooters going you have to build confidence. An easy way to get a shooters confidence up is to ASSIST them with easy layup opportunities. TONY DOESNT DO THAT IN TRANSITION or in the half court game. If you dont believe that youre a re because tony's assists come DIRECTLY off PNR situations.

Its funny that you know so little about the game. You should pay more attention to how the game is played rather than trying to "prove me wrong"

Eat up ladies

You know what? You are right. Parker had all of those turnovers because he was too busy missing layups and not passing to his teammates. IT MAKES PERFECT SENSE!!!




























































































Dumbass.

[xellos88330]

Abunassar: Leonard's Shooting Form Correctable

http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap...rm_Correctable

sorry if posted, cant wait to see this guy next season! I think he's going to be used a lot by pop (tony parker style)

I am also excited about this guy. I do hope he gets playing time and doesn't ride the pine due to "corporate knowledge".

[pancakechef]

It doesnt matter about shooting technique this is one of the most overrated and asinine things to address. All that matters is it goes in a la Kevin Martin.

AND
How does commenting on TOs directly relate to missing layups. Please count the times parker lost the ball or dribbled off himself and complained about fouls..


Cant teach stupid

[jjktkk]

Cant teach stupid

True, but if you could, I think you would make a great teacher.

[Spurs Brazil]

Buck Harvey: The way Leonard can beat a lockout
Posted on June 30, 2011 at 2:28 am by Buck Harvey

The founder and president of Impact Basketball began his business with low overhead.

“It used to be me and the ball,” Joe Abunassar said.

Now his one-stop training school has dozens of employees operating in four states. So he’s busier. But Abunassar still works the gym, and he did this spring. Then, he oversaw the pre-draft training of Kawhi Leonard “every day” for two months.

Abunassar thinks Leonard showed both improvement and promise. Then again, Abunassar should say that; Leonard is a client, after all.

Keep reading: http://blog.mysanantonio.com/spursna...eat-a-lockout/

[xellos88330]

It doesnt matter about shooting technique this is one of the most overrated and asinine things to address. All that matters is it goes in a la Kevin Martin.

AND
How does commenting on TOs directly relate to missing layups. Please count the times parker lost the ball or dribbled off himself and complained about fouls..


Cant teach stupid

How about you count the times. You won't believe anything I say anyways. I know you won't count them because you don't want to be proven wrong by your own damn eyes.

You were saying earlier that Parker wasn't passing the ball. A person doesn't get that many turnovers if he wasn't trying to. To think that all of his turnovers were off of himself are delusional comments. One thing funny about all of this is your argument went from not playing up tempo, to Parker not passing the ball in transition. Now it becomes Parker being selfish and not making the right decision, to him being the only cause of his turnovers by dribbling off of himself. It wasn't just Parker turning the ball over like crazy. The whole damn team was. Which further explains my point that the passing lanes were clogged due to the Grizz loitering in them and not really worrying too much about the shooters on a late closeout.




































































Dumbass.

[urunobili]

awesome writing chopper thanks a lot!

[admiralsnackbar]

Nobody is sincerely as attention-starved and diligently, systematically wrong as Herr Pancake.

Y'all be gettin' trolled.

[pancakechef]

How about you count the times. You won't believe anything I say anyways. I know you won't count them because you don't want to be proven wrong by your own damn eyes.

You were saying earlier that Parker wasn't passing the ball. A person doesn't get that many turnovers if he wasn't trying to. To think that all of his turnovers were off of himself are delusional comments. One thing funny about all of this is your argument went from not playing up tempo, to Parker not passing the ball in transition. Now it becomes Parker being selfish and not making the right decision, to him being the only cause of his turnovers by dribbling off of himself. It wasn't just Parker turning the ball over like crazy. The whole damn team was. Which further explains my point that the passing lanes were clogged due to the Grizz loitering in them and not really worrying too much about the shooters on a late closeout.




































































Dumbass.

If you dont know how Parkers assists come then you are blind to the game. The argument, idiot, is that it takes more than DRIVING TO THE HOLE in transition to be considered a GOOD, transition player. Add up the fact that he doesnt pass the ball, loses the ball (off himself, stripped, uncontrolled dribble) and doesnt push effectively then HES NOT A GOOD TRANSITION PLAYER.

Good finisher, most of the time, unless there is ANY contact.

FYI if the passing lanes were "clogged" then parker would have had a 1v1 with his man in transition. A GREAT TRANSITION PLAYER would have ate that up.

ADDITIONALLY, , it is the PGs JOB to attack the defender and make him commit, help OR hedge. When that is done then man one pass away can cut. PARKER DOESNT DO THIS

great try though......

Owned at 2k posts... AGAIN

[xellos88330]

If you dont know how Parkers assists come then you are blind to the game. The argument, idiot, is that it takes more than DRIVING TO THE HOLE in transition to be considered a GOOD, transition player. Add up the fact that he doesnt pass the ball, loses the ball (off himself, stripped, uncontrolled dribble) and doesnt push effectively then HES NOT A GOOD TRANSITION PLAYER.

Good finisher, most of the time, unless there is ANY contact.

FYI if the passing lanes were "clogged" then parker would have had a 1v1 with his man in transition. A GREAT TRANSITION PLAYER would have ate that up.

ADDITIONALLY, , it is the PGs JOB to attack the defender and make him commit, help OR hedge. When that is done then man one pass away can cut. PARKER DOESNT DO THIS

great try though......

Owned at 2k posts... AGAIN

So, he will almost always get the defender to commit as his is great around the basket in transition. When he gets the ball to the shooter and the shot is missed. How the is he supposed to get an assist off of a missed shot by a teammate? Another thing, how in the is the guy supposed to cut to a lane already clogged by defenders, re . The shot would be just as contested as Parkers would have been.

Owned like the dumbass you are. AGAIN!

We can go back and forth like this as much as you want. In the end you are only proving to all of Spurstalk that you are more of a dip than originally thought. So please... keep posting.



















































































DUMBASS!!!

[FuzzyLumpkins]

If you dont know how Parkers assists come then you are blind to the game. The argument, idiot, is that it takes more than DRIVING TO THE HOLE in transition to be considered a GOOD, transition player. Add up the fact that he doesnt pass the ball, loses the ball (off himself, stripped, uncontrolled dribble) and doesnt push effectively then HES NOT A GOOD TRANSITION PLAYER.

Good finisher, most of the time, unless there is ANY contact.

FYI if the passing lanes were "clogged" then parker would have had a 1v1 with his man in transition. A GREAT TRANSITION PLAYER would have ate that up.

ADDITIONALLY, , it is the PGs JOB to attack the defender and make him commit, help OR hedge. When that is done then man one pass away can cut. PARKER DOESNT DO THIS

great try though......

Owned at 2k posts... AGAIN

Parker finishes on breaks most of the time because he is one the 5 fastest players in basketball. When you are in front of all the defenders then you take it to the hole. If he was bad about it you could call to plays where he made the wrong play or pass when he actually had someone on the wing ahead of him to pass to.

He did that plenty with Manu and RJ. Parker is one of the best finishers in the game and capitalizes on it. That does not mean he is unable to distribute.

If you were not so incredibly stupid and wanted to attack Parker you would comment on his outside shooting that went into the toilet this season and swirled around the whole way. That 18 ft jumpshot which was what made him magnificent in 2007 was gone. He showed how him making jumpers ,when they play off him and peel under screens, pays off when he dominated in OT against the Grizzlies.

He clanged jumpers the rest of the time.

You really should stop. I realize that in your little world you think you are getting somewhere but you are not. Just stop.

[Fabbs]

I can use the scroll bar.

[patos]

kawhi leonard > ghill > parker so i guess the trade is good but not optimal

[pancakechef]

So, he will almost always get the defender to commit as his is great around the basket in transition. When he gets the ball to the shooter and the shot is missed. How the is he supposed to get an assist off of a missed shot by a teammate? Another thing, how in the is the guy supposed to cut to a lane already clogged by defenders, re . The shot would be just as contested as Parkers would have been.

Owned like the dumbass you are. AGAIN!

We can go back and forth like this as much as you want. In the end you are only proving to all of Spurstalk that you are more of a dip than originally thought. So please... keep posting.



















































































DUMBASS!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Do you even understand the concept of dribble penetration?
Obviously not. Keep thinking that sebastian telfair and dejuan wagner were great PGs too!!!

IDIOT

[xellos88330]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Do you even understand the concept of dribble penetration?
Obviously not. Keep thinking that sebastian telfair and dejuan wagner were great PGs too!!!

IDIOT

Here, see for yourself how completely re ed you are.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10SAS1.HTM

I am certain however that you will find some stupid thing to about which is going to be the same ing thing that I have been saying all along.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

It doesnt matter about shooting technique this is one of the most overrated and asinine things to address. All that matters is it goes in a la Kevin Martin.

AND
How does commenting on TOs directly relate to missing layups. Please count the times parker lost the ball or dribbled off himself and complained about fouls..


Cant teach stupid

Please tell me you are trolling, Rockets fan. Either you are trolling, have never participated in a basketball practice in any way ever, or are monumentally stupid.

i will go with A and C?

shooting technique doesn't matter?

[pancakechef]

Please tell me you are trolling, Rockets fan. Either you are trolling, have never participated in a basketball practice in any way ever, or are monumentally stupid.

i will go with A and C?

shooting technique doesn't matter?

Sorry, Matt Boner led the league in threes this year correct? And he has perfect technique?

Pick D
I own you

[pancakechef]

Here, see for yourself how completely re ed you are.

http://www.82games.com/1011/10SAS1.HTM

I am certain however that you will find some stupid thing to about which is going to be the same ing thing that I have been saying all along.

Interesting stat that he HAD 80+ bad pass TOs and 80+ HANDLING TOS

haahahahahahah

Laughs on you buddy

[ChumpDumper]

Interesting stat that he HAD 80+ bad pass TOs and 80+ HANDLING TOS

haahahahahahah

Laughs on you buddy

Are those figures high?

Does any good point guard have higher figures for those stats?

[pancakechef]

Not in terms of what "good" pgs do for their team, the pace they run, the tempo they play, etc.

[ChumpDumper]

Not in terms of what "good" pgs do for their team, the pace they run, the tempo they play, etc.

Then you're saying those stats don't mean anything unless you say they do.

Convenient.

[Bill_Brasky]

OK pancake has moved the goal posts too many times to count in this thread....can we move on?

[pancakechef]

Then you're saying those stats don't mean anything unless you say they do.

Convenient.

Doesnt take a genius to figure out that trying to compare players that you have to take into account SYSTEM.

Moving goal posts? Im only trying to keep up with the circular argument from your peers.

Take into consideration Tony, who shares PG time with Manu, and has a TON of mishandling TOs. Then you take a guy like Nash who has the ball in his HANDS CONSTANTLY with minimal TOs from poor handling skills. Now obviously Nash is a better dribbler/ball handler in general. If you took nash and threw him into our system his TOs would decrease. Throw parker into the suns mix and you would really see some ugly basketball.

The idea that all of our players are great and our system is perfect is INSANE. You guys dont know anything about playing the game and its obvious you have minimal experience because you cant understand how to visualize players in different situations and systems. I would be willing to bet 1 million dollars that a majority of you never saw manu play overseas and thought POP struck gold by taking a "chance" on him.

This isnt changing goal posts, its trying to explain to the fools on this board in simplest terms how basketball is observed and played.

Like the D bag talking about clogged lanes, well the lanes are always clogged when you run a pick and roll. Parker is good at that its no different on trying to get someone to turn their body or beat them at an angle in transition.