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Name all the coaches that got their start under Phil Jackson, who have gone on to become successful head coaches in the NBA.
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Not necessarily a good measure of a good head coach. I know I'm using football as an example, but look at the track record Bill Belichick's assistant coaches have had as head coaches (Charlie Weis, Romeo Crennel, Josh McDaniels, Eric Mangini). I don't think those 4 flopping as head coaches does anything to discredit Bill Belichick's coaching ability.
So who are they, these head coaches? I've been trying to find them.
Tbh tho the amount of good/great coaches who have played/coached under Larry Brown is a reason why I view him as the best basketball coach of all time (college or pros).
Bill Self
John Calipari
Mark Turgeon
Gregg Popovich
Alvin Gentry
George Karl (I think)
Bob Hill
Doc Rivers
I know there are more. No way it's just a coincidence all of those guys have played/coached under Brown.
Brown is from the Dean Smith system.
Still looking for the answer to the original post.
By no means do I have an answer, I was just saying it's not necessarily a reflection on Jackson for not producing any quality head coaches. As I've said before, how LA looks next year with Mike Brown will say a lot about Jackson.
Off the top of my head I cant recall any of his assistants under the Lakers going on to become head coaches period, much less good ones. You never even really hear any of them being highly touted by other teams. Someone correct me if Im wrong.
Not sure about his Chicago days since I was alot younger then.
edit-rambis who failed in minny is the only one i can think of
Last edited by FkLA; 06-30-2011 at 09:40 PM.
Not really. LA was swept in the 2nd round. If Brown cannot get any farther with an older group, how does that say anything about him? Kobe runs the team anyhow and we all know Mike Brown isn't going to usurp the star's power.By no means do I have an answer
Phil's system is difficult, and I think assistants might not want to buy into it as a template for their future success, whereas Dean Smith's system is all over the NBA, with a few hybrids here and there.
Still, a coach who does not impart his "skill" to another is, imo, not a great coach. He's got a decent scheme, ala Tex Winters, but a great coach is a great teacher, and yet he hasn't taught anyone anything tbh. His players do not go on to become good coaches. His assistants don't go on to become good coaches. He's had the best players in the game and much of his success can be attributed to that. Kurt Rambis cannot do with the triangle in Minnesota (couldn't do, he's gone now).
Phil has the ability to lead though, that's unquestionable. He gets results from his team and from his bosses.
If you give other coaches the players that Phil had with the Lakers or the Bulls, I dare say you'd have a few other "Championship" calibur coaches.
If Brown gets them the same place Phil does, it means Phil couldn't do much better than an average coach.
Then it's settled. Brown actually won a game in the 2nd round.
Last edited by DMC; 07-01-2012 at 05:12 PM. Reason: duh
The thing about Phil Jackson is that either a team makes it to the Finals or flames out early; he can't do jack with only ONE star-level player.Then it's settled. Brown actually won a game in the 2nd round.
1991-93: won it all with Jordan/Pippen
1994: lost to the Knicks in 7 without Jordan
1995: second round exit WITH Jordan returning mid-season
1996-98: won it all with Jordan/Pippen/Rodman
2000-02: won it all with Shaq/Kobe
2003: second round exit with the same core, Duncan was beasting
2004: lost in the Finals to Larry Brown's Pistons
2006-07: first round exits with Kobe alone
2008: lost in the Finals to Doc Rivers' Celtics
2009-10: won it all with Kobe/Pau
2011: second round sweep
Kurt Rambis coached the Wolves for two seasons. Don't think you can call that "successful", but there's a guy that was assistant under Jackson and went to coach another team.
Then it's settled. Brown actually won a game in the 2nd round.
Jim Cleamons was another assistant under Jackson that went to coach the Mavs in 96-97...
The thing with Jackson is that he had the same assistants for a long time. Hamblen has been with him since the Chicago days.
James Naismith (inventor of basketball)
coached Phog Allen at Kansas
coached Dean Smith at Kansas
coached Larry Brown at UNC
was assisted by Gregg Popovich
DAYUMMM
It boils down to...
Phil Jackson: 13
Pop: 4
A coach is a teacher. Phil is no teacher. There will be no "Phil Jackson Coaching System" since he was using Tex Winters' offense to begin with. However, the league is full of Pop and Larry proteges.
When was I reaching? This thread is from the beginning of last season.
This + http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...4&postcount=29
Nobody was even acting like LAL would get Dwight
That's funny, I recall several threads about it a few months ago.
Are you saying LAL fans don't feel a sense of en lement that they should automatically get the best the league has to offer? They pined for Howard, then for CP3. So you wanted the best center in the league and the best PG.
Sounds like I wasn't stretching it tbh.
You mean before deadline when it seemed like anything could happen? Spurfan were afraid that would happen for some reason.
IIRC, most lakerfans wanted Bynum to stay and get CP3. Even frontrunning paki .
Sure, if you want call the frontrunners fans. Although, the run for Dwight wasn't as popular as you seem to believe. Bynum was very popular and still is, most fans would rather keep him if he continued to be healthy.
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