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    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America,

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God en le them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are ins uted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to ins ute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.--Such has been the patient sufferance of these Colonies; and such is now the necessity which constrains them to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.
    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.
    He has refused to pass other Laws for the accommodation of large districts of people, unless those people would relinquish the right of Representation in the Legislature, a right inestimable to them and formidable to tyrants only.
    He has called together legislative bodies at places unusual, uncomfortable, and distant from the depository of their public Records, for the sole purpose of fatiguing them into compliance with his measures.
    He has dissolved Representative Houses repeatedly, for opposing with manly firmness his invasions on the rights of the people.
    He has refused for a long time, after such dissolutions, to cause others to be elected; whereby the Legislative powers, incapable of Annihilation, have returned to the People at large for their exercise; the State remaining in the mean time exposed to all the dangers of invasion from without, and convulsions within.
    He has endeavoured to prevent the population of these States; for that purpose obstructing the Laws for Naturalization of Foreigners; refusing to pass others to encourage their migrations hither, and raising the conditions of new Appropriations of Lands.
    He has obstructed the Administration of Justice, by refusing his Assent to Laws for establishing Judiciary powers.
    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.
    He has erected a mul ude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.
    He has kept among us, in times of peace, Standing Armies without the Consent of our legislatures.
    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.
    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our cons ution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:
    For Quartering large bodies of armed troops among us:
    For protecting them, by a mock Trial, from punishment for any Murders which they should commit on the Inhabitants of these States:
    For cutting off our Trade with all parts of the world:
    For imposing Taxes on us without our Consent:
    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:
    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences
    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:
    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:
    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.
    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.
    He has plundered our seas, ravaged our Coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people.
    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with cir stances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.
    He has constrained our fellow Citizens taken Captive on the high Seas to bear Arms against their Country, to become the executioners of their friends and Brethren, or to fall themselves by their Hands.
    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us, and has endeavoured to bring on the inhabitants of our frontiers, the merciless Indian Savages, whose known rule of warfare, is an undistinguished destruction of all ages, sexes and conditions.

    In every stage of these Oppressions We have Pe ioned for Redress in the most humble terms: Our repeated Pe ions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    Nor have We been wanting in attentions to our Brittish brethren. We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us. We have reminded them of the cir stances of our emigration and settlement here. We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.

    We, therefore, the Representatives of the united States of America, in General Congress, Assembled, appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rec ude of our intentions, do, in the Name, and by Authority of the good People of these Colonies, solemnly publish and declare, That these United Colonies are, and of Right ought to be Free and Independent States; that they are Absolved from all Allegiance to the British Crown, and that all political connection between them and the State of Great Britain, is and ought to be totally dissolved; and that as Free and Independent States, they have full Power to levy War, conclude Peace, contract Alliances, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and Things which Independent States may of right do. And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor.

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    Too bad most people have lost the desire to keep this nation free of tyranny. Too many people want an ever expanding government to take over our lives. The 4th seems to be nothing more to most than a day to have off from work, and party.

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    corporate shills and liars for corporations like you are the problem, NOT the govt.

    The power of corporations and capitalists were already seen to be threat to the country at its founding, by the founders:

    The New War of Independence - Against Corporate Politics

    ... unfulfilled desire to "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

    -- Thomas Jefferson

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/151506

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    Govt has many problems, but the overriding problems, and the impediments to their solutions, are created and sustained by coporpate/capitalist money.

    America is ed into permanent decline, and there's no un ing it.

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    Too bad most people have lost the desire to keep this nation free of tyranny. Too many people want an ever expanding government to take over our lives. The 4th seems to be nothing more to most than a day to have off from work, and party.
    Or a day to promote your political agenda on a message board

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    In the long list of “abuses and usurpations” the Declaration do ents, taxes don’t come up until the 17th item, and that item is neither a complaint about tax rates nor an objection to the idea of taxation. Our founders remonstrated against the British crown “for imposing taxes on us without our consent.” They were concerned about “consent,” i.e., popular rule, not taxes.

    The very first item on their list condemned the king because he “refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.” Note that the signers wanted to pass laws, not repeal them, and they began by speaking of “the public good,” not about individuals or “the private sector.” They knew that it takes public action—including effective and responsive government—to secure “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    Their second grievance reinforced the first, accusing the king of having “forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance.” Again, our forebears wanted to enact laws; they were not anti-government zealots.

    Abuses three through nine also referred in some way to how laws were passed or justice was administered. The do ent doesn’t really get to anything that looks like Big Government oppression (“He has erected a mul ude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance”) until grievance number 10.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/print...said_20110703/

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    and the tea bagger corporate shills, always going Pravda on history, totally miscontrue/lie about the Boston Tea Party:

    The Boston Tea Party was a direct action by colonists in Boston, a town in the British colony of Massachusetts, against the British government and the monopolistic East India Company that controlled all the tea coming into the colonies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

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    So the real culprit was the East India Company having a corrupted (bought) Parliament grant EIC a mononoply on importing tea both to England and the colonies.

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    corporate shills and liars for corporations like you are the problem, NOT the govt.

    The power of corporations and capitalists were already seen to be threat to the country at its founding, by the founders:

    The New War of Independence - Against Corporate Politics

    ... unfulfilled desire to "crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country."

    -- Thomas Jefferson

    http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/151506

    ===

    Govt has many problems, but the overriding problems, and the impediments to their solutions, are created and sustained by coporpate/capitalist money.

    America is ed into permanent decline, and there's no un ing it.
    Sorry, but our current unrestrained government is the biggest problem our nation faces today. The Heart of America is all but lost.

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    Or a day to promote your political agenda on a message board
    Consider this a day that I remind people that too many do not stand with our forefathers.

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    In the long list of “abuses and usurpations” the Declaration do ents, taxes don’t come up until the 17th item, and that item is neither a complaint about tax rates nor an objection to the idea of taxation. Our founders remonstrated against the British crown “for imposing taxes on us without our consent.” They were concerned about “consent,” i.e., popular rule, not taxes.

    The very first item on their list condemned the king because he “refused his assent to laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.” Note that the signers wanted to pass laws, not repeal them, and they began by speaking of “the public good,” not about individuals or “the private sector.” They knew that it takes public action—including effective and responsive government—to secure “life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.”

    Their second grievance reinforced the first, accusing the king of having “forbidden his governors to pass laws of immediate and pressing importance.” Again, our forebears wanted to enact laws; they were not anti-government zealots.

    Abuses three through nine also referred in some way to how laws were passed or justice was administered. The do ent doesn’t really get to anything that looks like Big Government oppression (“He has erected a mul ude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance”) until grievance number 10.

    http://www.truthdig.com/report/print...said_20110703/

    ===

    and the tea bagger corporate shills, always going Pravda on history, totally miscontrue/lie about the Boston Tea Party:

    The Boston Tea Party was a direct action by colonists in Boston, a town in the British colony of Massachusetts, against the British government and the monopolistic East India Company that controlled all the tea coming into the colonies.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston_Tea_Party

    =====

    So the real culprit was the East India Company having a corrupted (bought) Parliament grant EIC a mononoply on importing tea both to England and the colonies.
    I didn't specify taxes now did I?

    We are passing stupid laws, and not the type we need.

    We are electing politicians that will give us the hard worked earnings of others.

    We are losing true social justice in favor or political correct ideals.

    I could go on, but America today is flat out worse than America of the past.

    Sure, we have more material items, but have lost wealth of the soul.

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    The govt. is just the financier's tool to get what they want.

    Yes, ppl are being naive when they assume the problems stop at the govt and not the people behind the govt.

    But can you really blame them?

    If the govt was doing its job, it wouldn't be bought and paid for. The financiers wouldn't legally be able to do anything without the govt's blessing.

    So to pretend the govt isn't at fault in all this and laud it as the be all end all to all our problems is also wrong.

    And short of lynching bank executives, focusing on govt is the only thing people can do.

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    "our current unrestrained government is the biggest problem our nation faces today"

    You Lie, GFY

    Our current unrestrained UCA (corporations, capitalists) is the biggest problem our nation faces today (and there is no achievable solution).

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    "our current unrestrained government is the biggest problem our nation faces today"

    You Lie, GFY

    Our current unrestrained UCA (corporations, capitalists) is the biggest problem our nation faces today (and there is no achievable solution).
    So you agree our government is not making the necessary laws regarding corporations, right?

    Corporations will do what is best for them. Don't blame them for following the laws.

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    "Don't blame them for following the laws"

    You're a fool beyond silliness.

    Corporate lobbyists write the legislation, then they write the rules and regs that implement the laws.

    No law gets passed and implemented unless UCA is being protected and/or being enriched.

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    "Don't blame them for following the laws"

    You're a fool beyond silliness.

    Corporate lobbyists write the legislation, then they write the rules and regs that implement the laws.

    No law gets passed and implemented unless UCA is being protected and/or being enriched.
    Have you considered why that happens and who's to blame?

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    Consider this a day that I remind people that too many do not stand with our forefathers.
    That's it?

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    Consider this a day that I remind people that too many do not stand with our forefathers.
    the good old tea party logic

    Lets take a do ent written over 200 years ago and pretend its most literal interpretation possible should dictate how laws are written.

    Even though the 2nd amendment was obviously written to give America a militia if the British came back, lets pretend our forefathers knew we would become a world power having no need for a militia but wanted the 2nd amendment so Jared Lee Loughner could carry a gun everywhere he goes!

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    the good old tea party logic

    Lets take a do ent written over 200 years ago and pretend its most literal interpretation possible should dictate how laws are written.

    Even though the 2nd amendment was obviously written to give America a militia if the British came back, lets pretend our forefathers knew we would become a world power having no need for a militia but wanted the 2nd amendment so Jared Lee Loughner could carry a gun everywhere he goes!
    Ideas don't require literal interpretation.

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    Did somebody say 2nd amendment?

    People denied guns due to their mental health problems are agitating to get their guns back. Of course, the NRA and guns&ammo industry will undoubtedly be pushing hard to expand their membership and market.

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    Happy 4th, SpursTalkers.

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    Too bad most people have lost the desire to keep this nation free of tyranny. Too many people want an ever expanding government to take over our lives.
    The EPA keeping our drinking water clean and making sure that there isn't rat feces in our tuna fish isn't exactly the kind of tyranny that our founding fathers were fighting against.

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    Those tyrants are really dragging our HGI...

    Happy 4th for everyone else...

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    "There is never a democracy that did not commit suicide.” - John Adams

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    Happy 4th, SpursTalkers.
    To all of us this day!!

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    It actually took place on July 3. They were missing a few signatures (John Han ) so it wasn't ratified until July 4.

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    It actually took place on July 3. They were missing a few signatures (John Han ) so it wasn't ratified until July 4.
    Oh ok, cool. So you are saying it didn't happen until July 4th?? Thank you.

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    Independence, end of the war, with huge help from the French, didn't arrive until 1783.

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