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    Is the 56 MPG requirement going to be required for cars in all 57 states?

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    half the motorcycles made now get less than 40mpg.
    This is probably because due to the fact that motorcycles have long been gas saving champions, that there has been zero push to make them more economical. This is why I cant see myself going higher than a 750. The gas mileage is too damn good, and it is most certainly faster than I need.

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    did some research recently about hybrids to find out which to buy. turns out there isn't any compe ion as the prius slays everything in every category (mpg, cost, interior room, reliability)

    its a shame its so ugly
    I think that they are coming out with several new body designs in the near future. Prii is what they are called. I believe that Toyota plans on making them a sub brand.

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    This is probably because due to the fact that motorcycles have long been gas saving champions, that there has been zero push to make them more economical. This is why I cant see myself going higher than a 750. The gas mileage is too damn good, and it is most certainly faster than I need.
    I wonder how all the computer controls would be implemented on a motorcycle.

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    I wonder how all the computer controls would be implemented on a motorcycle.
    Don't see how it would be any different than a car (other than the fact that there are fewer systems to control on a motorcycle).

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    Don't see how it would be any different than a car (other than the fact that there are fewer systems to control on a motorcycle).
    Sure, but what would it look like?

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    Sure, but what would it look like?
    probably a motorcycle.

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    Carmakers and White House Haggling Over Mileage Rules


    "The administration is proposing regulations that will require new American cars and trucks to attain an average of as much as 56.2 miles per gallon by 2025, roughly double the current level. That would require increases in fuel efficiency of nearly 5 percent a year from 2017 to 2025.

    The standard would put domestic vehicle fuel efficiency on a par with that in Europe, China and Japan,

    The United States has the world’s most lenient vehicle emissions and mileage standards, lagging as much as 10 m.p.g. behind the rest of the world. Europe is expected to reach about 60 m.p.g. by 2020."

    http://www.truth-out.org/print/3828

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    Carmakers and White House Haggling Over Mileage Rules


    "The administration is proposing regulations that will require new American cars and trucks to attain an average of as much as 56.2 miles per gallon by 2025, roughly double the current level. That would require increases in fuel efficiency of nearly 5 percent a year from 2017 to 2025.

    The standard would put domestic vehicle fuel efficiency on a par with that in Europe, China and Japan,

    The United States has the world’s most lenient vehicle emissions and mileage standards, lagging as much as 10 m.p.g. behind the rest of the world. Europe is expected to reach about 60 m.p.g. by 2020."

    http://www.truth-out.org/print/3828
    Who is dreaming of Utopia again?

    Sorry, but I have a hard time believing such mileage possible, and still have what we consider a car.

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    Man, I can remember when petroleum engineering was a guaranteed homerun. Those dudes could pull down some serious cash right off the bat. Course, that was 40 years ago.


    Dammit. 40 years? *sigh*
    If by 40 years ago you mean today....

    http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos027.htm#earnings

    Not many more lucrative positions than that.

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    Who is dreaming of Utopia again?

    Sorry, but I have a hard time believing such mileage possible, and still have what we consider a car.
    LOL open mind.

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    Having a "hard time believing" is not contrary to being open minded. I never implied "impossible."

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    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

    by very definition, conservatives are against progress, will do anything to maintain the status quo, in which they have wealthy vested interest. Then there are the poor, duped losers who are conservative but have no vested interest to defend.

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    "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
    Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

    by very definition, conservatives are against progress, will do anything to maintain the status quo, in which they have wealthy vested interest. Then there are the poor, duped losers who are conservative but have no vested interest to defend.

    If, by progress, you mean massive expansion of government and en lements at the expense of individual liberty, then, yes, conservatives are against progress.


    By the way, how do "progressive" policies generate wealth?

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    "expense of individual libertyexpense of individual liberty"

    what liberties are you missing?

    Did the Repug Patriot Act and Repug warrantless wiretapping get under your skin? The right-wing consensus here was having the govt rape your expectation privacy was fine as long as you had nothing to hide.

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    Actually, based on the laws of thermodynamics, those numbers are achieveable, but at a price. Assuming you could design the most efficient internal combusion engine ever and you could mostly eliminate all sources of friction, drag, etc., you are still left with the mass of the vehicle and the displacement of the engine as variables. You can get high mpg, but you are going to have to sacrifice weight and power.

    Those evil oilco bas s at S sponsor an annual event called the Eco-marathon. This years winner from Canada had a vehicle that got 2,564.8 mpg. Of course, these vehicles are single-occupant bank tubes that take a minute or so to get up to their blazing top speed (i.e. not very fast).

    http://www.s .com/home/content/ec...011_final.html
    Last edited by DarrinS; 07-05-2011 at 09:47 AM.

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    One way to improve mileages here in the U.S. would be to revisit the EPA regulations on diesel. There's plenty of high mileage diesels in europe that can't be built here due to a bunch of regulations put in place during the EPA's anti-diesel crusade of the 90s.

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    Diesel cars gain traction slowly in U.S. market

    http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/07/0...e+Raw+Story%29

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    Nobody answered my question.

    Is the 56 MPG going to be required in all 57 states?

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    The 56 mpg rule would apply to a mfr's fleet, not to states.

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    The 56 mpg rule would apply to a mfr's fleet, not to states.
    LOL...

    No Sherlock.

    You didn't see the joke in there?

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    I wonder how all the computer controls would be implemented on a motorcycle.
    You know when the circuit board blows and you have to change that part?

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    LOL...

    No Sherlock.

    You didn't see the joke in there?
    Jokes are supposed to be funny.

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    Jokes are supposed to be funny.
    It is funny, except to Obama apologists.

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    a hilarious joke, to Barry ankle-biters.

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