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    In 1994, Humberto Leal Garcia Jr. was convicted of rape and murder and sentenced to death. Few doubt that he's guilty of the crime, but an omission in the handling of his case may make things tough for American citizens arrested abroad: Leal wasn't told that he could contact the Mexican Consulate.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...165829939.html

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    In 1994, Humberto Leal Garcia Jr. was convicted of rape and murder and sentenced to death. Few doubt that he's guilty of the crime, but an omission in the handling of his case may make things tough for American citizens arrested abroad: Leal wasn't told that he could contact the Mexican Consulate.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...165829939.html
    what do you think of the highlighted part?

    edit: shoot, even GWB asked for this.

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    what do you think of the highlighted part?

    edit: shoot, even GWB asked for this.
    jack lacks the ability to think

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    what do you think of the highlighted part?

    edit: shoot, even GWB asked for this.
    “Officers reported that she was nude and lying on her back and that a bloody and broken stick protruded from her vagina"

    That's what I think

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    jack lacks the ability to think
    If this was your son that was brutally raped/killed by this animal you wouldn't be saying a thing.

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    While he may be technically right, this is a case I have a hard time getting worked up over, and I don't think this is a battle Obama should be getting into with his future Presidential opponent.

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    Will people give us consular access when we are jailed abroad if we deny it to others?

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    If this was your son that was brutally raped/killed by this animal you wouldn't be saying a thing.
    No problem with the death penalty for child killers... the problem jack is that Americans need to be afforded the same rights in other countries, especially Mexico.....


    comprende?

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    If this was your son that was brutally raped/killed by this animal you wouldn't be saying a thing.
    I don't understand, why would I want to give him the easy way out?

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    Will people give us consular access when we are jailed abroad if we deny it to others?
    Garcia has been in the U.S. since he was two years old. He was a Mexican citizen by definition only. I don't think this compares to a case where a recent immigrant commits a crime.

    I acknowledge that we should always go by the strict definition to prevent gray areas like "how long until an immigrant loses his right to contact his consulate?" I'm just saying this isn't the case I'd choose to go to battle on if I were the President. If he loses, the precedent is then set for states like Texas to deny these rights to a wider variety of immigrants.

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    Garcia has been in the U.S. since he was two years old. He was a Mexican citizen by definition only. I don't think this compares to a case where a recent immigrant commits a crime.
    Does not extinguish the interest of Mexico in its own citizens, or the consular privileges attached thereto. One of the political tracks is international.

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    he probably knows the execution will go on as planned and will use this only as a show of "good faith" to the international community. If he does or says anything beyond this about this particular case, he'll look very bad.

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    keep asking questions George Gervin's Afro's Avatar
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    he probably knows the execution will go on as planned and will use this only as a show of "good faith" to the international community. If he does or says anything beyond this about this particular case, he'll look very bad.
    This

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    he probably knows the execution will go on as planned and will use this only as a show of "good faith" to the international community. If he does or says anything beyond this about this particular case, he'll look very bad.
    It's already a no-win situation for him domestically.

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    It's already a no-win situation for him domestically.
    It will blow over by the time elections come around. It might cost him Texas, but did he really ever have chance of winning the state?

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    Will people give us consular access when we are jailed abroad if we deny it to others?
    Good point. If this execution goes forward it may become a very unpleasant experience to be jailed in Mexico.

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    Never had all that great a reputation, but yeah. Could get worse.

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    If this was your son that was brutally raped/killed by this animal you wouldn't be saying a thing.

    No problem with the death penalty for child killers... the problem jack is that Americans need to be afforded the same rights in other countries, especially Mexico.....


    comprende?
    Never said you did.

    Comprende?

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    I don't understand, why would I want to give him the easy way out?
    I know why you don't understand. I never said I wanted him to have a easy way out.

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    I know why you don't understand. I never said I wanted him to have a easy way out.
    You want to kill him... that is the coward's way out. Screw that, let him rot in jail. Put him in GP.

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    You want to kill him... that is the coward's way out. Screw that, let him rot in jail. Put him in GP.
    LoL@cowards way out. Hopefully the Supreme Court doesn't bail this child rapist/murderer out and they can do what we should have done over a decade ago.

    Apparently your compinche doesn't want to die so death row can't be all that bad for him.

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    LoL@cowards way out. Hopefully the Supreme Court doesn't bail this child rapist/murderer out and they can do what we should have done over a decade ago.

    Apparently your compinche doesn't want to die so death row can't be all that bad for him.
    was this an attempt at a clever way of saying compadre? Look everyone JS can fire some neurons.

    Why would you want to let him stay on death row? I just said that this is bad punishment. Why do you keep wanting to lighten up on a violent criminal Jack? Drop him down into 3-person-per-cell GP is all I am saying. I actually want someone like this to, you know, be punished. Give him time to be tormented by his decisions, and if he never gets tormented by his decisions, at least he can be tormented by his cohabitants. THIS is the primary reason that I am against the death penalty. You conservatives just keep wanting to let these horrendous criminals forgo paying the piper. Tough on crime my ass.

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    You conservatives just keep wanting to let these horrendous criminals forgo paying the piper.
    Some would argue that they are just sending him to meet the piper. You do make a strong argument that progressives are more cruel and vengeful than conservatives though.

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