It is "yours" not "your's", lol. I didn't use the word "effect" in my post. Well done, you've found one error in my paragraph, "irreplacable". It's apparent, grammar isn't one of your strengths, but I appreciate the effort in your last post. I agree, if those shortages are as bad as you claim, sure give them citizenship, as I said, it doesn't matter to me.
good , you learn something new every day
You used affect when it should've been effect dumbass. I could care less about grammar though, I just thought it was pretty weak that you responded with that grammar nazi bull saying you couldn't understand my other post.
Reading the article could've helped you realize the severity of the shortages. Which would've in turn helped you avoid looking like an idiot.
lol your whole post was garbage, it looked like a 5 year old wrote it. Does that equate to a couple of grammar mistakes that I made over multiple posts? You certainly would like to think so. If you trying to make a serious point, and not trolling, then grammar helps, tbh. Who's that cutie on the right in your sig, bro? Got anymore?good , you learn something new every day
You used affect when it should've been effect dumbass. I could care less about grammar though, I just thought it was pretty weak that you responded with that grammar nazi bull saying you couldn't understand my other post.
Reading the article could've helped you realize the severity of the shortages. Which would've in turn helped you avoid looking like an idiot.
just some random , don't know her name
people say she looks like jailbait but that ass doesn't look underage to me lol
well after reading the original article then finding my way thru all the bull spewing in this thread i can say as usual a lot of people are still missing the point and don't even have an idea of what's being fought for / against as far as immigration goes..
the legislative proposal is targeting individuals who came in as minors and are still here without proper legal status.. as in.. they were brought in by parents and guardians who came here illegally.. there's been amendments to the original proposition saying that these minors have to have good standing with the law, graduated high school and gotten a college education for x amount of years, you even have to fall within a certain age even be considered.. and upon all that, it's all for permanent resident status.. not citizenship.. it almost has nothing even to do with someone who literally snuck across the border themselves..
but as usual.. all i hear from the opposition is the idea that the government is looking for some sort of way to give current illegal aliens citizenship.. we're not even talking about job situation yet..
yes.. if you got rid of the actual illegal workers who do the strenuous labor the article was talking about, yea there'll be a hit to the economy.. because they already know the legal citizens won't want to take their spot.. but losing them is and should be a reality that the legal residents and citizens are all going to have to live with anyway.. but as an illegal migrant worker, if you can't pass the requirements, you're not qualified.. so all the bull about checking someone's skin color and having that be an indicator to ask for their legal status.. if that's not racism, i dont know what is.. that's purely unnecessary and it doesn't make it alright just because it's not your race
if it's jobs we're worried about.. then dont' hire illegals.. auditing can be done for each registered businesses' employees figuratively over night.. it's no issue.. but it starts to become one when you have an american educated person who grow up here most of his life and you're telling him to go back to his country which is more foreign to him than the USA..
There's no reason to make someone legal just because they got away with being illegal for so long and prospered. So they have all the education, good, go back to that hole you came from and clean it up.
But, a couple ass clowns here have melted down to grammar and spelling smack anyhow. Gee I wonder who the immigrants are.
I have a question for you. Would you be for or against the government creating a law that would make the hiring of illegals a criminal act. In other words, if a company is caught hiring illegal immigrants at a high rate. The Charmian or CEO of that said company could face an extremely large fine or possibly jail time. Now, the law would probably never pass federally, but I could see a state like Arizona or Georgia considering such law. I would be against, considering I feel the country is to a point where we need cheap labor. We created a monster we have to live with like it or not.
Here's the problem with your conclusion:
You are saying the US must have illegal aliens in our country in order to survive. That's akin to saying being legal makes you useless.
We cannot ignore illegal status. Doing so makes the entire concept of legality a moot point. Why get a driver's license? If you are an illegal driver, you still have to get to work and no one else wants to do your job, so you shouldn't be held to any legal standards.
It's economic terrorism that we are bringing onto ourselves by handcuffing our ability to police our own immigrants under the guise of "cheap labor". Sorry mom and pop, you either make it or you don't.
There's no good reason that people should be allowed to fly under the radar. You cannot have national security if you cannot control your borders.
Allowing illegals to work here is making illegal legal.
I'm not saying its a good thing. I'm saying its a necessary evil. If we were to just deport all the illegal workers back to Mexico (or wherever) its a fact that our economy will suffer. Prices will rise and many legal Americans will their lose jobs.
When immigration was a big topic, before the economy took a and all the focus shifted towards that...Obama actually had a really interesting plan which would've been the best route in my opinion. It met both sides somewhere in the middle, it wasn't full blown amnesty but it also wasn't immediate deportation. I'm probably missing some details but basically:
Illegals who had been here a certain amount of time could qualify for a 5-10 (i forget) yr trial period were they had to meet certain requirements (crime free, employed, learn english, etc)...after that they would qualify for permanent residence/green card. Than after another 5-10 years they would be eligible for citizenship. This held them accountable for any crimes they committed and rewarded them for their contributions, while maintaining their cheap manual labor. I'm Mexican and I would've been more than ok with that, get rid of the bad seeds that give the hard working illegals a bad name.
shut the up u piece of
atleast 90% of ur 8000 posts are complete garbage
why would it be a "criminal act"? it shouldn't.. it's bad enough you hand out penalties for hiring illegals.. at worse the business could would lose it's license and it can go down that path.. but making it a criminal act in itself is unnecessary.. you're paying your taxes and running a business.. not smuggling illegals..
the government is working on a mandate that requires all businesses to verify their employee's legal status electronically before they're hired.. it hasn't passed thru all states yet.. but a good number of states have adapted this already.. it's the "smart" approach to addressing the issue about job situation.. the "stupid" approach is 'yer taillight's broken boi... what? your name is Jeezus?? where's yer green card boi?"
so yea i'd be against it..
Well if your looking for the government to do anything about illigel immigration dont hold your breath. Obama and all the other talking heads in congress want status quo when it comes to this issue. You notice your not hearing about the bill your referring to anymore. For capitalism to work efficiently a society needs a poor class of people to do the menial jobs the other classes don't want to do. Which means making illegals legal is not in the best interest to the government and the fortune 500 commonalities who own the government.
i'll be honest.. sometimes i can't tell if you're trolling.. even though you do most of the time.. i have seen some serious posts from you..
but for what it's worth.. you can ask any illegal resident in the USA if they've "live long and prospered".. im willing to bet 100% will laugh at the absurdity of that question..
as funny as it seems.. i really dont' get involved in politics that much so there's alot i dont know of it.. but it amazes me how this issue has been floating in the air since the bush administration.. that's as far back as i can remember.. but they prioritize other things like cutting education budgets and legalizing gay marriage..
It goes way further than that. You will hear the issue spring up again during campaign time.
You're being generous with that percentage, tbh. The sad part is, he actually believes he makes sense.
Then the economy must suffer. If all illegal drug trade stopped today there would be a hit to the economy of many a small rural town across the Midwest USA, but it should stop. We shouldn't allow wrong things to continue in the name of profit.
If everyone deserves to be legal, legalize them. Do away with the borders. Do away with immigration laws. Don't have laws and turn a blind eye to them in the name of profit.
That's the defense that's being used. This person got a degree and is running a successful business, but their parents were here illegally so they are not legal citizens of the US. If the same person was holding a "will work for food" sign, no one would give a if they were deported (Sean Penn might). So it's about the success they've had, the work they've put in to get where they are.
Illegal is illegal. I don't support banishing people to the far reaches of the globe just for a token stance, but the government must either enforce the laws or change them. They cannot (should not) ignore them. I know it's been done, but that doesn't make it the right thing to do. Change laws that don't make sense, and enforce the rest.
You two ass monkeys spent two pages arguing over spelling and grammar. I wouldn't be here grading post quality if I were you, Mr "Cool story bro".
you tell them
Again... the ethnic remarks and name calling. What is the point of you calling me a butthurt ? You are extremely immature, and need to grow up.
So you came as an immigrant... good for you. You're white. You came from a developed country, and you spoke English already. You grew up with a structured educational system.
You come to another developed country in which the white man succeeds. You did the same manual labor jobs that tons of american kids do anyways. You're "experience" on the matter is not only biased, but also easy in relative terms.
I've seen you post on 4chan before.
I'd pick 100 Mexicans over one Jew.
it's not even about financial status.. it's simple.. if the business owner can't pass the proposed requirements to be rendered legal then it's game over.. it's just more likely that the business owner would have a better education and good moral status compared to the 'will work for food' guy..
yes illegal IS illegal and this issue will still be dealt with.. but if the activists for deporting all illegals continue with the blasphemy.. you're digging a deeper hole with problems like the ones that had been stated in the article by the OP.. it isn't something that will be solved over night neither.. there are a lot of thing the government needs to go back and address.. it's not just this issue alone.. but at as far as this issue is concerned, why not look for a way to soften the impact of losing so many illegals by keeping the ones that are already educated and in good standing with the law? provided they pass whatever proposed requirements are given to be of legal status?
but if more states continue to adopt these draconian laws of arizona and georgia, the government is just not enforcing the issue.. they're going overboard to a point of hypocrisy.. also forcing the illegals to really start abusing government loopholes like false marriages for example..
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