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I can see how you would come to that conclusion, but I can only speak for myself.
I say no problem, let him talk to the consulate right up until they strap him to the gurney. There is no apparent question that he killed the girl and was guilty. talking to the consulate then would not have changed the ultimate outcome.
I can see how you would come to that conclusion, but I can only speak for myself.
I never said I wanted him to stay on death row or lighten up any punishment.
If you want to spew nonsense about being against the death penalty please start a thread or bring one back from the dead. I'm sure there has been a few here. I, 100 percent do not believe you are tough on crime but whatever and labeling me a conservative along with sterotyping all them is just plain stupid.
2 more hours!!!!
For once I agree with you. I was out of order since this thread isn't about if one agrees with the death penalty or not (I, therefore, won't respond to anything else in the quoted post), and more about if one finds that it is worth the risk to Americans abroad to kill this man.
(my answer to this is that it is not worth the risk, he is already getting the easy way out, don't let him cause any more suffering as he walks out that easy door)
Last edited by Drachen; 07-07-2011 at 04:56 PM.
I always thought the whole point of it all was that it would suck to be charged with a serious crime in another country when you don't know the laws, customs, or languages.
Think Red Corner starring Richard Gere, if you've seen it.
This guy however, has been here since he was two, so as far as I'm concerned, him, a stupid technicality shouldn't save his ass.
FWIW, SCOTUS said they're not getting involved. That was about an hour ago.
Yeah I've been keeping an eye on it, we should hear about the Governor soon.
His execution was set for 6. Dude should be meeting his maker right about now then.
Just for discussion sake:
I get that there's this treaty about how foreign nationals are supposed to be advised that they can contact their consulate. Don't have a problem with that. But in order for the cop to know whether or not he's supposed to advise some foreign national about their right to contact the consulate, doesn't that cop need to inquire about that person's immigration status? And aren't a bunch of people against having cops check people's immigration status?
So what's a cop supposed to do?
Another s bag bites the dust.
Her last moments included being beaten, raped, having a fifteen inch long stick with a screw on the end of it put in her vagina, and a chunk of asphalt crushing her skull.
This guy got to eat fried chicken, pico de gallo, and guisada tacos. The most pain he felt was the prick of a needle in his skin.
Eh, incarceration shouldn't be about punishment, revenge or any other sort of thing to me. Is it cathartic? Sure. But the true meaning of jails is to just get the crazies away from society, in my eyes.
Well he's pretty far away from society now.
Not a big Rick Perry fan but I like him a little more today than I did yesterday.
I don't know that's necessarily the function of the cop. The guy was obviously tried, and he probably had a public defendant assigned to him. That's probably the guy that 'screwed up'.
To be honest, there's just a handful of countries that actually have a respectable system of justice nowadays. Those countries are very likely to respect treaties, contact embassies, etc regardless of this execution, tbh.
I don't think it should be the function of the cop either, but that certainly appears to be what all the fuss is about.
He's still the same self-serving ass today as he was yesterday, imo.
No good reason not to appease everyone and grant a 30 day stay.Texas Gov. Rick Perry has rejected requests from the United Nations high commissioner for human rights, diplomats, judges, former President George W. Bush, retired military officials and now, the Obama administration, to stay the execution. The Texas Board of Pardons and Paroles rejected the request for a stay yesterday, though Perry could still grant a 30-day delay....
..."As retired military leaders, we understand that the preservation of consular access protections is especially important for US military personnel, who when serving our country overseas are at greater risk of being arrested by a foreign government," wrote Rear Admiral Don Guter, USN, Rear Admiral John D. Hutson, USN, and Brigadier General James P. Cullen, USA in a letter to Perry.
http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/lookout/...165829939.html
Perry's a jackass.
And nothing of value was lost.
I think it's for both punishment and keeping criminals away from society. Oh, and rehabilitation.
His dad was there?
The pertinent example is our neighbor, Mexico, who we just screwed.
Might have affected the sentencing phase had there been consular access at the time. Quien sabe?
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