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    As far as the "no legit GOP candidates are as weak as Kerry", well, who are the 'legit GOP candidates'?
    The ones with birth certificates.

    Actually, any of them with leadership experience.

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    Sure. I'm not playing that down.
    You did.

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    Was it anything like the property crash?
    My PFA answer might not be the best answer. Was it?

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    The only thing the WTC tangentially touches upon those points are the wars. Which by all accounts should've only been one war. Tax cuts, Medicare Part D, the Iraq war, unemployment nearly doubling... there's no connection there with 9/11... If you think there is a connection, please make it.

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    There is no connection.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 07-08-2011 at 10:39 PM.

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    My PFA answer might not be the best answer. Was it?
    No it was not, IMO. There's a reason this recession is considered the biggest crash since the great depression. The tech crash left some companies in good standing still operating today, and drove a major development in tech that's still lasting, didn't require any bailouts that I remember, and the economy was in general in good shape (balanced budget, spending cuts in place, monetary solvency, etc). People might not want to hear it, but Barry did get a turd sandwich there.

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    The connection is crazy bull . If i were not so crazy already it might make me crazy.

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    No it was not...The tech crash left some companies in good standing still operating today, and drove a major development in tech that's still lasting, didn't require any bailouts that I remember, and the economy was in general in good shape (balanced budget, spending cuts in place, monetary solvency, etc). People might not want to hear it, but Barry did get a turd sandwich there.
    2001 was a turd sandwich, say all you want about the bun.

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    2001 was a turd sandwich, say all you want about the bun.
    No doubt it was a turd too. But it wasn't Clinton handing it to dubya, nor it justifies the bad economic decisions made then.

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    As far as the "no legit GOP candidates are as weak as Kerry", well, who are the 'legit GOP candidates'?
    Imo it's Romney, Romney, and Romney at this point. If this report is true it's Romney and Perry. Both have a legit chance to beat Obama. Bachmann is the GOP's Howard Dean, she'll make some waves but in some unscripted moment she'll reveal that she's psychotic.

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    2001 was a turd sandwich, say all you want about the bun.
    No .

    A great deal of high paying jobs, including mine, were lost in the bubble burst. Beforehand, at my location, we were teaching the trade to people in Malaysia, and much of the tech industry that was stateside, became outsourced there. Other places too.

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    No doubt it was a turd too. But it wasn't Clinton handing it to dubya, nor it justifies the bad economic decisions made then.
    Does anything justify them?

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    Imo it's Romney, Romney, and Romney at this point. If this report is true it's Romney and Perry. Both have a legit chance to beat Obama. Bachmann is the GOP's Howard Dean, she'll make some waves but in some unscripted moment she'll reveal that she's psychotic.
    tbh, the only reason I heard about Perry is this forum and the fact I have family in Texas. Nobody heard of that guy around these places. Not to mention the stuff spoken about him around here is oftentimes less than flattering (ie: his addiction to federal money among other things).

    Romney... I'm not sold he's that legit. At least, I'm not so sure it would be a cakewalk for him to beat Barry.

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    Does anything justify them?
    Nope, IMO.

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    A great deal of high paying jobs, including mine, were lost in the bubble burst. Beforehand, at my location, we were teaching the trade to people in Malaysia, and much of the tech industry that was stateside, became outsourced there. Other places too.
    Outsourcing had little to do with the tech crash. If you don't know what the tech IPO bubble was, just stay quiet.

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    Actually, any of them with leadership experience.
    I miss the presence of a strong leader.

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    Any leadership experience is preferable over Obama. He has zilch.

    Actually, I'm glad he's such a bad leader. If he could have brought more of his ideals to life, we would be in far worse shape than we are now.

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    Any leadership experience is preferable over Obama. He has zilch.

    Actually, I'm glad he's such a bad leader. If he could have brought more of his ideals to life, we would be in far worse shape than we are now.
    What ideals?

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    tbh, the only reason I heard about Perry is this forum and the fact I have family in Texas. Nobody heard of that guy around these places. Not to mention the stuff spoken about him around here is oftentimes less than flattering (ie: his addiction to federal money among other things).

    Romney... I'm not sold he's that legit. At least, I'm not so sure it would be a cakewalk for him to beat Barry.
    Well if he runs you'll get to know him. He's a great politician (that's not a compliment). I'm not a fan but he knows how to campaign.

    Romney's challenge is the primaries not the general election. If he wins he can appeal to independents/moderates. Conservatives will show up to vote against Obama not for Romney in the general.

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    Any leadership experience is preferable over Obama. He has zilch.
    You also thought McCain/Palin had more leadership experience. That didn't get them elected back then.

    Sticking to the economic woes like unemployment makes for a more credible, and easily provable argument.

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    Well if he runs you'll get to know him. He's a great politician (that's not a compliment). I'm not a fan but he knows how to campaign.

    Romney's challenge is the primaries not the general election. If he wins he can appeal to independents/moderates. Conservatives will show up to vote against Obama not for Romney in the general.
    The independents will win the election, so it's going to be about campaigning for them. The fact that Barry has tilted more to the right gives him some ammo to talk about not being just a lefty. I personally don't care too much about the defined conservative or liberal vote. Those always go their way, and are not deteminant. I don't even think Obama received that many conservative votes, tbh. He did manage to get more liberals to the poll, which is rare.

    Perry needs to get in the action soon too if he wants to be known. He's got a little over a year to make the rounds. A guy like Christie I can see starting late, seeing he's known a bit more nationally.

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    Nope.

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    Rick Perry is just a republican Al Gore. I don't know why Texas kept electing that moron.

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    Hilarious, angrydude. I never understood it. And I've lived in Texas all my life.

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    Wonder if Rick Perry will stay on as governor or quit for the campaign. If he so chooses, he can create an heir apparent.

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