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No still in Afghanistan. I got injured so they got me on the desk. Not much longer though. Less than a month of being in this utopia of advancement.
I may not be able to respond to you as eloquently as ChumperDumper, but the pollution caused by extra power plants coming on line to service the extra 48 watts per bulb is pretty harmful. Additionally, 25 incandescents to 1 LED means less landfill space needed with LEDs. If I wanted to go really basic: Glass hurts.
Edit: CD's "prove it" was directed at something different than I addressed. Didn't realize that at first.
No still in Afghanistan. I got injured so they got me on the desk. Not much longer though. Less than a month of being in this utopia of advancement.
Sorry to hear that you've been injured. I hope its nothing serious. Glad to hear you'll be back soon. I'll feel better about calling you a dip republican once you're back on home soil and safe.
Hope it's nothing too serious. Stay safe.
And I'll +1 WH for welcoming you back to the forum.
Be well, SnC.
You make a good point. Still though, not a directly harmful problem like lead in paint. However would that same kind of thinking halt plastic bags from being made? Glass bottles?
These power plants not coming on line are also not bringing in more well paying jobs, which would bring more money into communities which would create more service jobs.
Thanks everyone. Yeah nothing too bad. My truck got hit with an IED and a bone from my ankle got blown off. not out of my leg or anything. but from where its supposed to be connected. they said it'll just float around there and i dont need any surgery. No one died from the blast. The new MRAPS- the Maxxpros- are build great!
It causes increased electrical costs for everybody.
No different economically from a product that causes increased health care costs that must be collectively shared.
It is a very apt comparison.
If one doesn't want a "nanny state" to dictate light bulbs because people should be free to use more expensive bulbs, then the same principle applies to helmets, leaded paint, unsafe children's toys, contaminated meat, unregulated planes/buses and so forth.
All of these requirements are in place because we collectively have determined that the costs are more than we want to bear, and provide some benefit.
You might not like the fact that the economic effects and workings are the same between wasteful light bulbs and leaded paint, but it is quite logically valid.
Both have quantifiable costs and benefits. Both cost less in the long run than the benefit. That makes both good policy.
That the tea party movement is so adamantly against what is a no brainer good policy says volumes to me.
How much further to go before you're back home? At least past the hump?
So you are saying we should allocate our capital less efficiently?
If we don't spend money on building power plants, we can spend it on other things, like repairing infrastructure, business incubators, and so forth.
You are saying here that these power plant jobs are more important than ANY other use of the money it would take to build them.
I understand more money into communities, but at what cost? There is a reason that NIMBY is a thing and that is because pollution is not desireable, detrimental to health, and costly to deal with across many different categories (environment, health care, etc).
Glad to hear that it wasn't worse than that. Good to hear y'all have some decent armor. Thank you for being willing to be over there.
Can you really call government money capital? is that what 'we' meant? Also I did not say anything like that.
If it is cost efficiency we are trying for, shouldn't we try to fix the grids?
Glad to hear man! I might be going somewhere in a few months... that is, if management doesn't play around with my cycle to keep me here during compliance inspection season.
LNG: less than a month. Block leave in Sep. Thats when I'm coming back to TX.
Capital is capital, yes.
You don't think you said that, but when you argue that power plant jobs are important to communities, especially given a choice between collectively building the power plants or madating efficiency and having us spend money on something else, you have argued that those jobs are more important.
We choose winners and losers through inaction, as well as action.
The problem here is that people who are efficient still end up having to subsidize those who aren't.
If a new power plant has to be built, it has to be built, and that cost is passed on through a utility bill in each and every watt produced.
I can't choose to only pay for all the electrical companies expenses *except* those relating to the extra power plants, and increased prices from demand, I have to pay for those along with everybody else.
This is just a way for the wasteful to force everybody else to subsidize their behavior.
By the by, welcome back.
Always good to have somebody new to disagree with.
hmm, seems like all the things you are comparing to light bulbs there are things that can kill people, a wasteful light bulb is nothing like any of those. and it's been a long time since any law or policy has been "collectively determined"
I don't know how people can get so bent out of shape about these energy/natural resource issues, the market can and will and is handling it. as the reserves of energy become more scarce, prices go up, and it becomes cost effective to spend $80 on a light bulb, or an extra $5000 on a car with a ton of batteries in it; and expensive, risky endeavors for innovation will also rise
and who cares if we run out of coal/oil in 100 years or 300 years, it's going to happen, and people will adapt and be just fine
it's just one big eye rolling issue
personally I want the world to run out of cheap energy sooner rather than later so I can be alive as all the innovation takes place. can't wait to see a battery technology better than lith-ion, or 1000 lb. cars that get 200 mpg, houses being build with near perfect insulation... or whatever! it's going to be exciting when the world starts to run out of oil, assuming there still is some free market capitalism somewhere on earth
I also can't wait for there to be quality LED lamps that actually outperform CFL's at lumens per watt and cost less than $80 for a 600-750 lumen flood light
Milk that desk job. Makes no sense going out into the field after an injury, you won't be at 100%. Make it back to Texas so they can deploy you in another six months.
Yeah. Well allegedly I'm gonna have 18 months dwell time but we'll see. You know how the military is. So where do they have you going?
Don't know yet. One of our guys got popped just recently for a 365 at a FOB. Don't want to say anymore, OPSEC and all that. But the AF rotation cycle is defintely getting heavier... shorter dwell times (about 18 mos) and longer deployed times (6 mos minimum, seeing alot more 12s though).
The old 100 watt light bulb has it's uses. In some cases, it doubles as a heat source, like in chicken coops.
I am all for more energy efficient bulbs. Like I said, I just don't think people should be forced to buy something they don't want. If I had small children, I would not be buying the florescents. There are not any other affordable energy efficient ones that I know of. there is talk of the halogen, but they are expensive compared to incandescents, and not much more efficient.
Not true. There have been studies of how washers don't clean as well as one example.
As long as you don't sell it without full disclosure, I agree.
Well, if you live in a region that needs heated most the year, the savings of electricity is even less than advertised. If you are heating with electricity to begin with, energy efficient bulbs produce less heat which is just made up for by electric heating anyway. there is effectively no savings when you are heating your house.
The full savings from energy efficient bulbs is only seen when you aren't heating your place.
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