ESPN 5 on 5 - possible foreign HOF's

[Sean Cagney]

Manu yes, Parker has a ways to go.

[DesignatedT]

Stephen mother in Hawking at the point would've been enough to beat those Cavs...and Jazz, and Nuggets.

They needed him for 2003 and 2005 though.

You could take any 1 of the big 3 off the 07 team and we still would have beaten the Cavs.

[jsandiego]

If Tony Parker were a member of the "Big 3" for a 3-time world champion Lakers or Celtics teams, he would be in without question.

Winners should make the HOF.

[cantthinkofanything]

This guy is a fat er who downgrades foreigners due to their style of play. Saying that Manu isn't better than Drexler or Dumars is re ed. He went through healthy stretches where he was just as unstoppable as Wade and Kobe... so based on PURE TALENT (as this statement nullifies injuries), Manu IS just as effective as any SG the post-MJ generation.

You're a lying prick. i don't know where you got that post above but it wasn't me.

[gospursgojas]

Manu's a lock, to voters however I dont see tony as a lock. I think TP deserves it.

BTW Tony's been the best Spur since 07...just sayin

[TJastal]

You're a lying prick. i don't know where you got that post above but it wasn't me.

It's right at the bottom of your OP, plain as day.

[cantthinkofanything]

It's right at the bottom of your OP, plain as day.

oohhhhh. so this is what it feels like to be a dumbass

[Nick Manning]

oohhhhh. so this is what it feels like to be a dumbass

I don't know why, but this cat makes me laugh

[TJastal]

oohhhhh. so this is what it feels like to be a dumbass

Maybe you've just been blocking out the feeling all these years.

[SA210]

This guy is a fat er who downgrades foreigners due to their style of play. Saying that Manu isn't better than Drexler or Dumars is re ed. He went through healthy stretches where he was just as unstoppable as Wade and Kobe... so based on PURE TALENT (as this statement nullifies injuries), Manu IS just as effective as any SG the post-MJ generation.

[Amuseddaysleeper]

Manu's a lock, to voters however I dont see tony as a lock. I think TP deserves it.

BTW Tony's been the best Spur since 07...just sayin

Just in time for their decline

just sayin

[024]

A couple more all star selections should put Parker in the hall. Shouldn't be too hard now that deron williams has been booted to the east and cp3 is already half way out of NO.

[mathbzh]

Just in time for their decline

just sayin

First I think Ginobili should be a lock for the HOF when Parker may deserve to get in.

But your argument is a fallacy.

Parker was not responsible for being the youngest player in a core that would won 3 rings.

Since 2007 not only Duncan and Ginobili have declined:
- Bowen has not been replaced
- Horry have ginger hairs
- Finley lives in a Geriatric Hospital
...
Spurs defense is now an old tale to be told sat around the fire.

When you focus only on their NBA careers, Manu and Parker are players with very similar credential and IMO belongs to the same tier of players.

[jimo2305]

manu being in the HOF shouldn't even be debatable.. he's accomplished more than at least 90% of what ball players have around the world.. he's a well decorated international superstar in this sport

[TJastal]

A couple more all star selections should put Parker in the hall. Shouldn't be too hard now that deron williams has been booted to the east and cp3 is already half way out of NO.

Westbrook & Conley say hi

[mathbzh]

Westbrook & Conley say hi

Conley?

[BG_Spurs_Fan]

lol Conley

[cantthinkofanything]

LOL at Conley. But I'd trade TP for him in an instant.

[ambchang]

International Players currently playing/played in the NBA:

Sure fire HoF:
Dirk Nowitzki
Arvydas Sabonis
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Pau Gasol
Yao Ming (trailblazer)

Maybe:
Luis Scola (based solely on his international game, but even that is unlikely)
Toni Kukoc (is he there yet?)
Dikembe Mutombo
Tony Parker

[Cane]

Parker's not an instant-lock but he'll make the HOF. He's got enough accolades, wins, and international presence to be worthy of the honor. FWIW Parker was one of the fastest and best layup artists the league has seen imo.

If Tony Parker were a member of the "Big 3" for a 3-time world champion Lakers or Celtics teams, he would be in without question.

Winners should make the HOF.

Ain't that the truth. Like Parker said the Spurs Big 3 would be hailed as basketball gods if they were in NYC or some other big market.

Manu's a lock, to voters however I dont see tony as a lock. I think TP deserves it.

BTW Tony's been the best Spur since 07...just sayin

Parker had one truly great season where he I'd say he was the best Spur which was back in 08-09. But thats about it.

[Horse]

Yes Yao is irreplaceable. You saw that everytime he didn't play, which was a lot of games/years! Yao has only played 486 games (now he's retired) compared to TP's 746 games (with many more to come). Like I said before, Yao is much more talented than Tony but he hardly played. If Yao came from France would he still be a HOF? The reason why Yao is so popular is because he is the first star from his country (just like Tony is) and his country has the highest population in the world.

Parker has made an impact on French basketball. All you have to do is see how popular he is in the country and the amount of good players coming in the league from France now (Diaw, Batum and Beaubois) as compared to french players before TP (Tariq Abdul-Wahad and Jerome Moiso).

While his impact off the court isn't as large as Yao's, his on the court performance surely makes up for that difference. BTW would you call TP replaceable while he won the the finals MVP (granted it was controversal but he still did dominate that series)?

I don't get how people are saying Tony's not that talented. He's the best finisher i've ever seen besides maybe iverson. yao all he ever did was get hurt. Houston was never a serious threat to win . And maybe Tony would not be MVP of the 07 playoffs. But for the finals I don't see controvery he did whatever he wanted, scored at will and for 4 games was the best player on the court.

[Anonymous Cowherd]

Yao gets a REALLY easy ride in that one. When they say he "spread basketball to another continent" all they mean is, "he's Asian".

If he was an American who somehow managed to mobilise the Chinese to follow basketball through some amazing charisma and marketing work, then.... maybe.

But Yao was just the right nationality.

[myhc]

International Players currently playing/played in the NBA:

Sure fire HoF:
Dirk Nowitzki
Arvydas Sabonis
Manu Ginobili
Steve Nash
Pau Gasol
Yao Ming (trailblazer)

Maybe:
Luis Scola (based solely on his international game, but even that is unlikely)
Toni Kukoc (is he there yet?)
Dikembe Mutombo
Tony Parker

Dikembe was one of the greatest shot blockers this league has ever seen. He'll get in.

[cantthinkofanything]

Dikembe was one of the greatest shot blockers this league has ever seen. He'll get in.

I agree with this. He's automatic. Especially with his off court humanitarian work.

[Spurologist]

what's ducks take on this?