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    Subsidies can only last so long when a state is going broke.

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    subsidies?

    you lie.

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    What is the new rules with tuition PELT grants and payback options? They were adjusted right when Obama took office...?

    States are broke. With the "You have to go to college" mentality and throw that alongside w/ financial aid providing a down payment (so to say) on those ballooned loans... Recipe for disaster.

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    It's unbelievable how higher education costs have shot through the roof the last 15 years. This nation is ing done.

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    Liberal Mecca isn't quite the utopia people thought it would be.

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    It's unbelievable how higher education costs have shot through the roof the last 15 years. This nation is ing done.
    It happens with just about everything the government controls.

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    BigCollege?

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    Why aren't we asking colleges and universities to lower their tuitions?

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    Sure. Not directly, but consider this. No matter how much they raise tuition, they find students. There may be less who can pay their own way, but the government steps up with Pell grants. No matter how much people cry and scream that there isn't enough Pell grants, there is always enough to keep professors employed.

    I say we need to dismantle the DoE. Force they system to work within the bounds of Supply and Demand again.

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    lol California

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    The VLWC hates human-Americans.

    Gawt damned for-profit mofos.

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    I say we need to dismantle the DoE.
    Why? Do you even know what it does?

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    Why? Do you even know what it does?
    Yes. It wastes money. We didn't have it until the late 70's and we did just fine without it. Probably better.

    Now I'm not confusing it with the other DoE. It's correct acronym is ED rather than DoE though.

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    Why aren't we asking colleges and universities to lower their tuitions?
    Why arent we demonizing colleges and universities like CEO's with their salary increases?

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    Why arent we demonizing colleges and universities like CEO's with their salary increases?
    Better question: Why are K-12 teachers being demonized by some politicians, yet state funded university professors (tenured and otherwise) get almost no flack, and when universities do cut budget, instead of reducing professor salaries, they just raise tuition?

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    Better question: Why are K-12 teachers being demonized by some politicians, yet state funded university professors (tenured and otherwise) get almost no flack, and when universities do cut budget, instead of reducing professor salaries, they just raise tuition?
    I see...

    Should we raise property taxes?

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    I see...

    Should we raise property taxes?
    I don't really care one way or the other... It is just inconsistent for 1 party to be demonized and the other ignored when both serve the same basic function...

    My brother pointed out that it is silly for states to fund colleges when their talent from that state tents to leave that state, and the out of state students leave that state as well... Made a great case for federal-only funded colleges...

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    Better question: Why are K-12 teachers being demonized by some politicians, yet state funded university professors (tenured and otherwise) get almost no flack, and when universities do cut budget, instead of reducing professor salaries, they just raise tuition?
    Great question. I'm wondering what the know-it-all's here think about it.

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    I see...

    Should we raise property taxes?
    As a side note regarding the taxes bit:

    TBH, I am not much of a fan of property taxes in general, as it fundamentally takes away from the concept of owning a property in the first place, as you never finish having to pay for it... Yes, I understand that city services require maintenance costs for police and fire coverage, but I don't like that it effectively makes it so you are just perpetually loaning your property from the city... Income tax is perhaps the most 'fair' in that it takes into account percentage of income burden, and sales tax is nice because, with the exception of the internet, it is some small guarantee that everybody pays something... Generally you can choose not to buy something, or not to take a pay raise...

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    I see...

    Should we raise property taxes?
    I'd expect most school districts to do exactly that.

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    Better question: Why are K-12 teachers being demonized by some politicians, yet state funded university professors (tenured and otherwise) get almost no flack, and when universities do cut budget, instead of reducing professor salaries, they just raise tuition?

    Well, I'd argue that professors are demonized more than K-12 teachers but in all honesty such general statements are impossible to quantify. I definitely do not think you can say they get no flak, however.

    Also, tuition hikes are not the only way Universities raise more money. There are furloughs, layoffs, fee increases, and service elimination. Many professors and instructors are definitely subject to having their contracts eliminated or being forced to take furloughs.

    High ranking professors important in their fields are always going to get special consideration from universities because they bring prestige and notoriety to their programs and that in turn brings in funding. These positions more often than not pay for themselves. I don't know of many K-12 teachers that are able to accomplish that. Thats not to diminish the importance of K-12 teachers but its a fiscal and educational fact.

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    Just to be further clear - most University faculty where I attend is not tenured. So many of the classes are taught by part time faculty who are subject to having classes eliminated all the time.

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    Well, I'd argue that professors are demonized more than K-12 teachers but in all honesty such general statements are impossible to quantify. I definitely do not think you can say they get no flak, however.

    Also, tuition hikes are not the only way Universities raise more money. There are furloughs, layoffs, fee increases, and service elimination. Many professors and instructors are definitely subject to having their contracts eliminated or being forced to take furloughs.

    High ranking professors important in their fields are always going to get special consideration from universities because they bring prestige and notoriety to their programs and that in turn brings in funding. These positions more often than not pay for themselves. I don't know of many K-12 teachers that are able to accomplish that. Thats not to diminish the importance of K-12 teachers but its a fiscal and educational fact.
    Granted, it can not be quantified, but I feel that the 'universities' are demonized for raising rates, while 'teachers', rather than schools, are demonized when talking about budget cuts. And I don't mean from an academic prospective so much as a socioeconomic prospective. Every student has some horrible teacher story...

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