If the "shooting guard" Matt Bonner can play "power forward" then so can Tiago. Pretty funny that you think your little labels mean anything. My theory is simple and doesn't require neat little PF/C labels. Which is, "if it works, who cares?".
One thing became painfully evident in the grizzly series... Tim Duncan needs size in the worst way next to him. Getting a better player than Tiago either by trade or free agency is probably an unlikely crapshoot with what the spurs have to work with (Dice's expiring and maybe Anderson assuming his option can even be picked up yet).
There was some rumours about the spurs being interested in Tyrus Thomas last year, and the combination of Dice + Anderson would be enough to get him actually. Spurs could use a little nasty in their frontline with McDyess leaving.
Last edited by TJastal; 07-18-2011 at 01:13 AM.
One thing we all seem to agree on is Tiago needs to get some consistent pt this season (should there be one). Tim does need some size around him, no doubt, and Tiago is our only option right now. I'm still hopeful someone else is coming on board at the 4 and very hopeful that Leonard's energy and defense at SF will be a spark to the team. Tyrus Thomas or Varejao, perhaps?
Just watched the clip TJ posted on Thomas...ouch!
watching the clip and especially his reaction makes me want to acquire Okafor. great guy. and I would say he is the tough one in this scene.
Edit: TT being on the block is very unrealistic IMO. and Dice+Anderson as an offer the Bobcats would accept is even more.
Bobcats liked what TT delivered after the acquired him at deadline 2010 and they gave him a long term extension. he didn't disappoint, outside his foul troubles he played his best season.
however, if he was, why would the Bobcats want a player, who is in many ways a copy of their 2009 pick, who finally started to show a very nice development in the 2nd half of last season. (they would rather ask for Neal, not that this was enough)
Last edited by mountainballer; 07-18-2011 at 03:25 AM.
Is TJ actually advocating Tyrus Thomas with that brainless flagrant foul?
Maybe you just haven't noticed, but Jordan has been in "scrap it and start over mode" for the past year or so. From Gerald Wallace, Tyson Chandler, Nazr Mohammed, Raymond Felton, & now Stephen Jackson, he has totally ushered on what was once a playoff threat and defensive beast of a team (apparently to save $$$) I'm not sure why you'd think Tyrus Thomas wouldn't be next on his hit list, seeing as his contract runs for the next 4 years @ 8-9m per, easily tops on the team now.
As for Anderson, why couldn't he be Henderson's back up? Unless you think Garret Temple is going to do that job. Or as I used to call him, the jack of all trades, master of none.
Last edited by TJastal; 07-18-2011 at 04:44 AM.
I don't particularily like those kinds of fouls, but if they help clear the lane for Timmy and keep assholes like Bynum from cheap shotting Splitter I'll live with it.
TD/TT/TS/DB/MB would be a decent big rotation.
You need to get a life.
Really.
oh I have noticed. that's why I can't see the pure dump and restart mode, when trading Chandler and not re sign Felton happens at the same moment when they handed TT the big contract and when trading Jackson brought back a more expensive contract in the person of Maggette.
if all those moves were smart is a different discussion, some move were pure salary dumps (like Chandler), but it's not an evidence that TT is the next, just because you want to see him with the Spurs.
I can see Splitter being a 10 and 10 guy with 2 blocks if he starts with minimum 29 mins.
Splitter will never be an elite NBA rebounder but an average one. Agree with Hooks, about 8 & 6 in 25 min. (which is ok) but if they would use more PnR the points could go up. He clearly needs a good pg to be effective. He will draw fouls, move to an open spot, be a good passer, work hard and generally help the team but will never be a dominant player on O or D. He has no range on his shot and I doubt this will change. I think he could be an average starting C and an above average backup C.
I say KEEP Splitter as the center. Acquire a PF somewhere else w/ the tradeable assets on the team right now. Those assets TP, Blair and quite possibly one of the other SGs (Neal or Anderson).
Next year, TD will be retired and Splitter will own duties in the lane. I think he'll do well enough to hold down the starting 5 spot. But, as so many other have already posted, 5s aren't as important as good 4s.
So you're advocating it.
Guys, Splitter can shot...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VM1UqXZj924
look this video (full screen)
he made 2 jump shots (6:12) and (9:00)
but he need to training this a lot, i think he have potential to be a consistent mid-range shooter
we have a lot of examples in NBA, players who develop a shoot since came to NBA... Oberto, Noah and others.
sorry the english, i need to leave now and i typed fast.
Last edited by BRs.Ganso; 07-18-2011 at 11:40 AM.
Agreed here. I think this is pretty much Splitter's ceiling for the NBA, not bad at all to have for a roll player at all, but not quite good enough to be a key player on a team.
If he could just get some decent and consistent playing time (should have last season) he would be a tremendous help for TD, and to the team, but him getting that kind of playing time still remains to be seen.
Splitter really played well in that 4th quarter ... nice comeback against a good Greece team (although it was "only" pre-olympics. Hopefully Chip England can bring Tiagos jumper back in addition to consistent free throw shooting.
that video was in 2006 FIBA World Championship in Japan
Compelling evidence of of how cramps and stiffness tend to manifest themselves into the body when you sit on a hard bench all game long and only see the final minute of action of a game.
2010 was essentially a wasted year for Tiago. Funny how it was so important to get him signed for this season, Holt even mortgaged the future by resigning RJ to that ludicrous deal just so the we'd have enough $$ left over to make sure Splitter could be wearing the silver & black proudly.
It was truly moments like these that made it all worthwhile.
Not so much advocating as condoning.
He played over 14 minutes that game..
You're such an idiot.
An idiot who spends 24 hours everyday on Spurstalk.
Obviously, that's ideal. But it's difficult to find a starting PF for under $5 million, particularly one who's not a massive liability at mid range shooting, defense or rebounding.
The problem is, the Spurs already have a lot of committed money next season. $74,426,140, to be exact. That doesn't factor in McDyess -- if he's not traded -- being waived, or one of Butler or Green potentially being waived. But it also doesn't account for Leonard's and Joseph's contracts and they'd still need a fifth big and presumably another PG.
All this is to say, they probably only acquire a starting PF if they're able to get rid of Jefferson. Basically, have the PF take Jefferson's salary slot, as the fourth highest paid player on the team.
But let's face it, there's probably at least a 50% chance of Jefferson not being traded. And if he's not and they're unable to afford a starting PF, then Splitter is clearly the best in house option.
That's the main reason why it's crucial they trade Jefferson, even if it means taking back a contract that they don't want (such as Kleiza).
The Spurs WON'T find a PF for $5 million that's worth a salt - and they know that.
The Spurs will continue to find ways to trade RJ, that's for sure. Their 2nd best option is to just wait until after this next season, whenever it is, when TD's contract is up and he retires. THEN, the Spurs can start rebuilding - next season will be a "tribute" season to the old guys.
That's why I say, put TD and Splitter in together and see what they can do...
Trading RJ is the best solution, but a 50% chance of that happening is probably being generous. I keep being hopeful about Tim and Tiago starting together. I have no expectations of Tiago being a true power forward, but I think he can probably learn to defend the 4 pretty well. Tim can still score and probably needs Tiago's speed and size defensively. Hope we get to find out...
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