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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    The fact is, before August 2nd it appears that he will have a couple of different options (one from the House and one from the Senate) available to him to raise the debt ceiling that don't involve raising taxes. The question is what will he do then?
    True. We're still waiting to see what comes out in the wash.

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    Pretty ty punt, IMO. For all the GOP talk about actually getting something done this is more of the same. No one can say they didn't have a chance. No one.

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    Thanks for the topical update, Manny.

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    If Ezra Klein is right, the Repugs look to be stretching out the bogus deficit panic "framing" with the mulit-step/multi-vote bull so that it distracts from doing real work on getting the economy moving again, not that anybody at this point could imagine that the Repugs have the slightest interest in anything but prolonging/deepening the Banksters' Great Depression. We know from 8 years of dubya, the Repugs are 100% against governing.

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    More kicking the can down the road and gamesmanship.

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    You could say the exact same thing about Obama.
    Especially since he voted to not raise the debt ceiling when he was in congress. Also with him being the leader of the Dem's and they couldn't pass a bill to raise taxes, when they controlled the big three.

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    Especially since he voted to not raise the debt ceiling when he was in congress. Also with him being the leader of the Dem's and they couldn't pass a bill to raise taxes, when they controlled the big three.
    They passed bills to lower taxes during the depths of the recession. What makes you think they were trying to raise taxes back then?

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    "the Dem's and they couldn't pass a bill to raise taxes"

    bull . The DINO Dems like Chief Horse's Ass Ben Nelson, Lieberman, etc meant the Dems never had 60 votes in the Senate.

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    I find it hilarious that the Eric Cantor who voted for Bush's Medicare Part D plan is now all of a sudden so worried about deficit spending when there isn't a Republican in the white house. The Democrats should have an easy case to make before voters for 2012: namely, that the Republicans are holding guns to the nation's heads and threatening to take the whole economy down the same way the banks did in 2008. Then again, I'm not holding my breath waiting for competency from the jackasses who couldn't get a decent health bill passed with a supermajority in the senate and control of the house and executive branch.

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    Back to something in the OP:
    Yet the $4 trillion in deficit reduction that Mr. Obama talks about is shy on details. No one who's attended his frequent negotiating sessions knows what his proposal really is.
    Talk is cheap. My understanding is he has only outlined $2 billion of this fantasized $4 billion.

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    I find it hilarious that the Eric Cantor who voted for Bush's Medicare Part D plan is now all of a sudden so worried about deficit spending when there isn't a Republican in the white house. The Democrats should have an easy case to make before voters for 2012: namely, that the Republicans are holding guns to the nation's heads and threatening to take the whole economy down the same way the banks did in 2008. Then again, I'm not holding my breath waiting for competency from the jackasses who couldn't get a decent health bill passed with a supermajority in the senate and control of the house and executive branch.
    republicans = democrats = really worried about defecits when someone from the other team is in the WH

    On another note, if we just get rid of medicare D entirely, there's $1 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years. Seems like a good place to start.

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    So they're going to pass resolutions to disapprove of Obama's using a power they approved of giving him.

    No, they aren't playing politics at all.

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    "if we just get rid of medicare D entirely"

    and the other Repug subsidy for the corps, Medicare Advantage, about 12% more expensive than Medicare.

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    So they're going to pass resolutions to disapprove of Obama's using a power they approved of giving him.

    No, they aren't playing politics at all.
    And Obama pretending to be a deficit hawk isn't playing politics?

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    Back to something in the OP:

    Talk is cheap. My understanding is he has only outlined $2 billion of this fantasized $4 billion.
    And exactly how many taxes have the Republicans said they will support?

    Why should Obama outline every cut he wants to make, opening himself to criticism in those areas, when the Republicans won't even agree to more taxes?

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    And Obama pretending to be a deficit hawk isn't playing politics?
    Is he not proposing cuts?

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    Making a promise which got you elected is playing politics.. but comprimising and thinking about reelection is not. Got it!

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    The Republicans promised to give Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling?

    Link, please.

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    Is he not proposing cuts?

    Knowing that tax increases were impossible to pass in the house, was it really a serious proposal to link unspecified cuts to specified tax increases?

    And assuming he believed in those (unspecified) cuts, why aren't those cuts still on the table?

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    Knowing that tax increases were impossible to pass in the house, was it really a serious proposal to link unspecified cuts to specified tax increases?

    And assuming he believed in those (unspecified) cuts, why aren't those cuts still on the table?
    Are all cuts off the table now?

    Link, please.

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    Are all cuts off the table now?

    Link, please.
    I'm sure that if the President wanted to add additional cuts to the 1.5T already identified by Biden and the House his input would certainly be considered. Link to where Obama wants to add more cuts to the 1.5T?

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    I'm sure that if the President wanted to add additional cuts to the 1.5T already identified by Biden and the House his input would certainly be considered. Link to where Obama wants to add more cuts to the 1.5T?
    So you're walking back from your position that all cuts are now off the table.

    OK.

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    So you're walking back from your position that all cuts are now off the table.

    OK.
    If there is an offer on the table from the President for budget cuts that aren't linked to tax increases then post it.

    Put up or shut the up.

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