RIP Carbon Capture

[Wild Cobra]

A few weeks old, but late is better than never, right?

American Electric Power terminated their 2 year Carbon capture experiment, and I believe no one will follow in their footsteps. They placed it on a 235 megawatt system and successfully captured about 90% of the CO2. Their reason is twofold. They don't see the federal government subsidizing future operations, and will not be able to pass the cost along to the consumers. I couldn't find what this subsidy or cost is during the short time I searched, but the total cost of the installation was about $668 million with half subsidized. Now for a 235 MW capacity, that's $2,842.55 per kWatt. Not real expensive over the long term, but still, too many years at a few pennies per kwh. I get over 16 years at 2 cents per kwh, and this is just the installation cost. How much is the ongoing operational costs?

Funny how these liberal utopian ideas never come to pass without tax payer subsidies. That's because they are most often, unrealistic feel-good ideas.

Their news release:

AEP Places Carbon Capture Commercialization On Hold, Citing Uncertain Status Of Climate Policy, Weak Economy

[Halberto]

After your butter thermometer thread I will never take you seriously.

[Wild Cobra]

After your butter thermometer thread I will never take you seriously.

LOL...

Don't knock it till you try it.

Use real butter though. I will not be responsible if you adjust your temperature for margarine, spreads, etc.

[Winehole23]

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...ghlight=butter

[Winehole23]

Yes, I am serious. I am in my kitchen everyday. I like real butter. If it's too firm to spread, I raise the temperature. If it's too soft, I cool the temperature. At the same time, the temperature is in a comfortable range.

Whoa there.

I am serious. I am in my kitchen everyday. I like real butter.

[Winehole23]

Weird, man. The temperature is in a comfortable range too. Earlier on, I cooled the temperature.

[Winehole23]

(This isn't ing facebook, WC.)

[Wild Cobra]

(This isn't ing facebook, WC.)

So why are you spraying the walls with useless BS?

[Winehole23]

So why are you spraying the walls with useless BS?

Repeating your banal observations verbatim is useless bs? Appreciate the candor.

[Winehole23]

I just thought you'd appreciate the context and the proof you said what Halberto said.

[Drachen]

A few weeks old, but late is better than never, right?

American Electric Power terminated their 2 year Carbon capture experiment, and I believe no one will follow in their footsteps. They placed it on a 235 megawatt system and successfully captured about 90% of the CO2. Their reason is twofold. They don't see the federal government subsidizing future operations, and will not be able to pass the cost along to the consumers. I couldn't find what this subsidy or cost is during the short time I searched, but the total cost of the installation was about $668 million with half subsidized. Now for a 235 MW capacity, that's $2,842.55 per kWatt. Not real expensive over the long term, but still, too many years at a few pennies per kwh. I get over 16 years at 2 cents per kwh, and this is just the installation cost. How much is the ongoing operational costs?

Funny how these liberal utopian ideas never come to pass without tax payer subsidies. That's because they are most often, unrealistic feel-good ideas.

Their news release:

AEP Places Carbon Capture Commercialization On Hold, Citing Uncertain Status Of Climate Policy, Weak Economy

So what you are saying is that there is no acceptable way to make coal a clean technology?? Sounds like a pretty staunchly liberal view to me.

[MannyIsGod]

So what you are saying is that there is no acceptable way to make coal a clean technology?? Sounds like a pretty staunchly liberal view to me.

Pretty much.

Kinda sad you beat me to the punch though

[DMX7]

After your butter thermometer thread I will never take you seriously.

What took you so long?

[boutons_deux]

capturing CO2/mercury/cadmium/etc exhaust from coal plants isn't sufficient to "make coal clean".

Coal extraction, esp when done by a criminal org like Massey, is dangerous and destructive. Coal ash (BigCoal compromised EPA not to label ash as toxic) is a huge pollutant.

[boutons_deux]

Republicans Approve Regulation-Blocking Coal Bill on ALEC's Wish List

House Republicans who have received hefty campaign contributions from coal and electric power companies approved coal legislation supported by the industry and super-lobby group the American Legislative Exchange Council (ALEC).

The House Energy and Commerce Committee voted to approve legislation on July 13 that would prevent the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) from regulating toxic coal ash wastes from electric power plants and delay the implementation of air quality rules. The Republican-controlled House is expected to pass the bills.

Rep. David McKinley (R-West Virginia) introduced the bill that would block the EPA from regulating coal ash powder and sludge as a hazardous waste and give state agencies authority to further loosen regulations.

http://www.truth-out.org/print/4353

[Winehole23]

Use real butter though.

Ease up, Martha Stewart, some people have dietary restrictions!

[greyforest]

Funny how these liberal utopian ideas never come to pass without tax payer subsidies. That's because they are most often, unrealistic feel-good ideas.

Like public health care, public schools, research, and space exploration

[Th'Pusher]

LOL at Clean Coal Technology. Glad that ridiculous myth has been dispelled. By the way, I'm pretty sure those subsidies started under Bush. He's the one that began pushing this idea, although Obama had taken it up as well.

[boutons_deux]

Mayor Bloomberg Gives $50 Million to Sierra Club Anti-Coal Campaign Because Coal Plants Kill People and Harm Our Kids

Bloomberg: The time has come for our nation to begin transitioning away from coal-fired power plants towards cleaner, more efficient, and more cost effective energy sources. If we succeed, and I fully believe that we will, we will save millions of lives and we will help millions of children avoid asthma and its debilitating effects.

New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg announced today that he is giving $50 million to the Sierra Club campaign to shut down dirty coal plants around the nation.

http://thinkprogress.org/romm/2011/0...te+Progress%29

[RandomGuy]

capturing CO2/mercury/cadmium/etc exhaust from coal plants isn't sufficient to "make coal clean".

Coal extraction, esp when done by a criminal org like Massey, is dangerous and destructive. Coal ash (BigCoal compromised EPA not to label ash as toxic) is a huge pollutant.

Massey is bad enough.

If you want some real hair-raising scary read up on Chinese mines, especially the illegal ones.

Between the pollution and the deaths it is a libertarian's dream. No government oversight keeping the "free-market entrepreneurs" from digging up all the coal they want, whereever they want, whenever they want, using whoever will work for what they offer. No red tape, no nothing, just a market price for coal, and producers without government red tape meeting that demand, and creating all the jobs that go with it.

Sounds like a utopia, right? The Job Creators that own the mines are really forging the economy ahead.

[coyotes_geek]

RG's really been cranking out the straw lately.

[MannyIsGod]

Well, behind the snark is a very good point about coal's dirtiness going far past the emissions. Even here in the US coal extraction can be horrendous. Look at the mountaintop mines in WV etc.

[boutons_deux]

methymercury.


http://cleanairboard.wordpress.com/2...mercury-rules/

http://www.deq.state.ne.us/airdivis.nsf/pages/a-3

[Wild Cobra]

So what you are saying is that there is no acceptable way to make coal a clean technology?? Sounds like a pretty staunchly liberal view to me.

Not with today's technology. We need technological breakthroughs. Thing is, they are smart enough to know this would fail. It's just a liberal feel good waste of money. Really depressing in my view.

[Wild Cobra]

Like public health care, public schools, research, and space exploration

With the exception of huge ventures like space exploration, we have always had the others in less formal forms. People did just fine. I would say our founding fathers were brilliant considering they didn't have government schools. Others were fine getting schooling from those one room school houses. The community took care of it's own, probably better, than government one-size-fits-all solutions.