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    Stats without context.

    Maybe our resident context expert can tell us why these don't really mean much.

    Somebody fire up the Cobra Signal!
    Like you, I can only assume without research. Having done none yet on Greece, I will assume that they have socialized medicine included in the revenue and spending. Possible a retirement system that s s out more than our SS as well.
    Alternately, you can try to tell me what important data is missing here. I can, but will give you the chance to do the honest thing.
    GDI would be a help to see, but I'm not sure what you're looking for.

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    Like you, I can only assume without research. Having done none yet on Greece, I will assume that they have socialized medicine included in the revenue and spending. Possible a retirement system that s s out more than our SS as well.
    Well, those are not necessarily factors... Canada has 'socialized medicine' and has a balanced budget with a surplus and has been paying down it's debt.

    There's actual analysis linked to in this thread so you don't have to guess.

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    Well, those are not necessarily factors... Canada has 'socialized medicine' and has a balanced budget with a surplus and has been paying down it's debt.

    There's actual analysis linked to in this thread so you don't have to guess.
    Canada has a large national income from oil and timber. probably other commodities like grains. What does Greece have?

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    Canada has a large national income from oil and timber. probably other commodities like grains. What does Greece have?
    Tourism? I don't think Greece was always bankrupt.

    Canada also was under a pile of debt a while ago. They've been able to turn it around without having to gut what they deem essential services like government funded healthcare.

    From the analysis I've been able to read, Greece seem to be your typical case of political corruption, coupled with a few more factors...

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    Canada has a large national income from oil and timber. probably other commodities like grains. What does Greece have?
    What does Germany have?

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    From the analysis I've been able to read, Greece seem to be your typical case of political corruption, coupled with a few more factors...
    I don't think it's typical; it's rather extraordinary for a European country.

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    I don't think it's typical; it's rather extraordinary for a European country.
    Well, I meant is: what you normally see in cases of massive political corruption. Uncommon in Europe, but not uncommon in third world countries.

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    Many Europeans, esp those who do business with Greece, don't think Greece qualifies as EU country, is absolutely not your typical (western) European country.

    It was run by the damn Turks for 400 years.

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    Greece is a typical Balkan country, not that we're any better...

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    hopefully the US is next.
    Hopefully? Why's that?

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    that makes you lol?

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    The US of A is next my friends. Greece will recover and all will be well. In my town of Krokos we are already removing the mayor from power. He has already tried to seize all the best love making goats available and left us with scrawny goats. We are in hopes that the one you know as Kill Bill Pana has seen our plight and will assume control of our town. Already we are making banners and have assembled a basketball team for in which to put on an exhibition game. Once we have figured out which players are men and which are women we will organize the team accordingly. It took all of our money but we were able to purchase wonderful uniforms for our team.

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    From the analysis I've been able to read, Greece seem to be your typical case of political corruption, coupled with a few more factors...
    Any democratic elected political structure that is socialistic will have all kinds of political corruption. Just look at the democrats here!

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    Any democratic elected political structure that is socialistic will have all kinds of political corruption. Just look at the democrats here!
    So Republicans have never been guilty of corruption ever?

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    So Republicans have never been guilty of corruption ever?
    Sure, some have. However, to get elected in a socialistic structure, means giving the people excessive pork!

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    May speculative philosophy bless you for all your contributions, and your many sensitive and gently nuanced ruminations here.


    My own feelings about what you say are somewhat less benevolent.

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    (belch)

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    Sure, some have. However, to get elected in a socialistic structure, means giving the people excessive pork!
    That's not corruption.

    You're all over the map.

    Drunk?

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    That's not corruption.

    You're all over the map.

    Drunk?
    I guess that depends on your definition of corruption. I consider it so. It's a form of buying votes.

    Actually, not long ago, I just walked home from a bar where I had several adult beverages!

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    I guess that depends on your definition of corruption. I consider it so. It's a form of buying votes.
    So you're saying pretty much all Republicans are corrupt.

    OK.

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    So you're saying pretty much all Republicans are corrupt.

    OK.
    Did the Chicken or the Egg come first?

    Sure, many republicans are corrupt. However, do they as a whole, get their war chests filled by catering to corporate America, or does corporate America fill their coffers because the republicans believe as they do?

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    Did the Chicken or the Egg come first?

    Sure, many republicans are corrupt. However, do they as a whole, get their war chests filled by catering to corporate America, or does corporate America fill their coffers because the republicans believe as they do?
    Doesn't matter. By your definition, pretty much every Republican is corrupt.

    Feel free to walk back if you want.

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    Doesn't matter. By your definition, pretty much every Republican is corrupt.

    Feel free to walk back if you want.
    Actually, it can be said of both parties. Do the politicians get financing because they already champion a cause, or do they champion a cause because that's where the money is? That's the difficult part to determine.

    I already have primarily conservative.libertarian views and am not paid for them. Would I be accused for supporting the same causes I already do if I were a politician getting money from the groups that benefit from my viewpoint, if I could make it happen? yes. i would be accused of being bought, even though i already share such views.

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    Actually, it can be said of both parties.
    Right, you tried to say only Democrats.

    By your definition, Republicans are just as corrupt.

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    These too much spending vs. not enough taxing arguments are so in stupid. There's too much spending AND there's also not enough taxing. Giving out free healthcare to every obese chain smoker in this country or making it possible to earn unemployment benefits while doing nothing to look for a new job are both examples of re ed spending policies, and the low tax rate for dividend income is just as re ed when some people make hundreds of millions off dividends every year. Low spending + low taxes is no more/less stupid than high spending + high taxes. Both drastic government spending cuts and significant tax hikes (particularly on the wealthy) will be needed to create surpluses.

    One thing that's funny though, is how the Republican party suddenly became concerned about America's rapidly growing national deficit and out-of-control government spending once Obama took office. From 2001-2008, when Bush was turning Clinton's national surpluses into (at the time) record national deficits, and throwing over one trillion dollars into a war that did absolutely nothing for America, Republicans didn't show one iota of concern about balancing the budget. Suddenly the budget became a big deal when a Democratic president was irresponsible with it.

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