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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Its not the 50s but its also not the 70s. Things may have - just maybe - have been cheaper back in relative to wages. I have a hard time believing your mother raised you as a single parent without assistance on a job like that, however. You're definitely leaving something out.

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    My electricity bill alone is $100+ and I'm rarely home other than sleeping on weekdays and weekends.
    WTF? Do you live in an shoe box with no ac? Mines $500 on a good month.

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    WTF? Do you live in an shoe box with no ac? Mines $500 on a good month.
    I rent, and only have one window-unit type of AC that is part of the apartment. Everything here is electric: heater, AC, stove, etc.

    But we're only here for dinner and sleeping during the weekdays, and we do spend a little more time on the weekends.

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    Damn, that must be really good bread.
    LOL...

    I meant $5.50, not $550.

    Sorry, but wasn't that an obvious mistake?

    Besides, the price keeps changing. Just bough three loaves today at $5.29. There are 17 slices per loaf, including the two heels. The Franz outlet store is less than 2 miles away from me.

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    My electricity bill alone is $100+ and I'm rarely home other than sleeping on weekdays and weekends. Rent is a little over $900 and it's about as cheap you can find around here. There's no walkways or buses nearby, so some sort of vehicle is needed (you can probably buy a $500 car, but you have to put gas on it). Frankly, I would find it very difficult to live around here for less than $20K/year. That's roughly $1.6K/month = $400/week = $10/hour for a full time job.
    That's all good for where you live, i will not say you are wrong. Goes to show that the poverty live also needs to vary by where you live. Although the Portland Metro area is one of the more expensive places to live nationwide, it isn't the most expensive. I can see NJ as being expensive because it can be considered part of the NYC metro area.

    I will accept that the poverty line changes with location. I just don't accept that the poverty live is as high as it is commonly said to be.

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    Don't forget $500-$1000+ for daycare, if one has kids.

    Kind of hard to hold down a job with your kids in tow.
    If one has kids, then where is the other parent?

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    Since a car was intentionally left out of Wild Cobra's calculations, was there an allowance for taxis? Because even if the Costco (don't forget membership fees) and the bread outlet store are on public transportation routes, bus drivers tend to frown upon people who get on with giant bags of rice, beans, bulk packages of Raymen, and three loaves of bread.

    Getting up and down the stairs to a subway platform would be difficult, too.

    And kids can't help carry anything that heavy.

    And most taxis I've ridden in have posted signs that they charge more if you've got groceries.
    Just what do you think "poverty" is suppose to mean?" Now low income is another story.

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    In other words, if you've assumed both bulk purchases AND no car, you can rest assured your calculations are ed.
    I'm, not assuming bulk purchases, but yes, no car. A person would need to live walking distance to a store, and carry bags home. Probably make 2-3 trips a week. I've lived like that before, I see no reason why others cannot.

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    I rent, and only have one window-unit type of AC that is part of the apartment. Everything here is electric: heater, AC, stove, etc.

    But we're only here for dinner and sleeping during the weekdays, and we do spend a little more time on the weekends.
    Turn the temperature down on the water heater. That makes a huge difference.

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    He didn't make a comment in the op. He could have meant poor people have it really good or he could have meant calling poor americans poor helps them muslim terrorists...it's hard to say.
    Because he hides behind his own headline.

    So yeah, you're right. It's hard to tell. Darrin weaseled out again without revealing his opinion. Point of guile.
    Last edited by Winehole23; 07-23-2011 at 04:26 AM.

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    OK, I may have low balled the sandwich price a bit. Shopped at the Franz outlet store and WalMart after making that post. I bought three loaves of their better breads for $5.29. Bough the 22 oz. Miracle Whip squeeze bottle for $3.44. I probably use 1 oz per sandwich. The Gulden's y Brown Mus was $1.18 for a 12 oz bottle. It claims 68 servings, and I probably get that much or more since I only spread a light layer on a piece of bread before applying the Miracle Whip. The meats I buy are the thick sliced Foster farms in 6 oz packages, 9 slices per. I use 2 slices, they cost $3.48. I use one slice of Gossner Swiss cheese at $1.97 for 8 one oz. slices. I use 1 slice of Tillamock Cheddar at 90 slices for $7.98. The two pound unsliced loaves are $5.98, but I pay the extra $2 for the sliced. I didn't check greens prices, and don't always put any on anyway. Without lettuce, it comes to $1.4894 per sandwich. It's a filling sandwich since I'm not using the wimpy ass enriched bread. Anyway, since it's that much at low pricing, it probably costs more like $2.00 to $2.20 per sandwich at supermarket prices. But remember, I'm buying high quality rather than value shopping also.

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    Here's WC and St Ronnie's Welfare Queen lie, in other words:

    "The actual service going to people isn’t going to decline, the people sucking off the program are going to be the ones that lose."

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...-off-programs/

    ========

    So, here ya go: poor means being without A/C due to the Banksters' Great Depression. How many banksters living without A/C in 100F?

    States Cut Programs Helping Families Pay Their Electric Bills During Record Heat Wave

    The government cut $400 million for low-income energy assistance this year, and the cuts will be equally problematic when winter comes. Most the assistance actually goes to helping families pay heating bills in winter.

    Requests for heating and cooling assistance have skyrocketed since the recession began, with 8.9 million households receiving federal help this year compared to 5.8 million in 2008-09. Yet Michigan saw its federal funding plummet from $238 million to $38 million, and Texas’ funding fell by $28.6 million.

    http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...rams-heatwave/

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    I can see NJ as being expensive because it can be considered part of the NYC metro area.
    I will accept that the poverty line changes with location.
    Agree. It completely does. I have family in south texas, and whenever we visit we're shocked with the price difference even on basic things (ie: 4 lemons for $1 in Texas, 1 lemon for $2 here).

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    News Corp slimebags lying their asses off:

    Fox Cites Ownership Of Appliances To Downplay Hardship Of Poverty In America

    Fox News hosts are citing a Heritage Foundation report about the ownership of appliances among the poor in America to ask, in the words of Bill O'Reilly, "So how can you be so poor and have all this stuff?" In reality, the poor in America face hardships in areas that deeply affect their lives, such as health, education, housing, and access to healthy food and legal services -- regardless of their ability to purchase a microwave oven.



    "Poverty Is Mostly About Housing, Health Care, And Education"

    Over the past 50 years, televisions have gotten a lot cheaper and college has gotten a lot more expensive. Consequently, even a low income person can reliably obtain a level of television-based entertainment that would blow the mind of a millionaire from 1961. At the same time, if you're looking to live in a safe neighborhood with good public schools in a metropolitan area with decent job opportunities you're going to find that this is quite expensive. Health care has become incredibly expensive.

    http://mediamatters.org/print/research/201107220001

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    Here's WC and St Ronnie's Welfare Queen lie, in other words:

    "The actual service going to people isn’t going to decline, the people sucking off the program are going to be the ones that lose."

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...-off-programs/
    Yep, and googling the phrase gives my 5 pages of that quote cut short. I would like to see the full context of the statement he made, it could be out of context.

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    "I would like to see the full context of the statement he made"

    WC's reflexive "context is everything".

    Do you google?

    anyway, the TP article had the surrounding paragraph of that quote, if you don't feel what remains of your brain won't be frazzled by going to the TP site.

    The obviously porno/fellatio "sucking off" is just another example of Repug oil stooge/climate denier Senator raising the bar on public discourse.

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    "I would like to see the full context of the statement he made"

    WC's reflexive "context is everything".

    Do you google?

    anyway, the TP article had the surrounding paragraph of that quote, if you don't feel what remains of your brain won't be frazzled by going to the TP site.

    The obviously porno/fellatio "sucking off" is just another example of Repug oil stooge/climate denier Senator raising the bar on public discourse.
    And your reflex is to believe anything a liberal rag frames for you. What if he was answering what the democrats plan would do, or a hypothetical. What did he say before and after?

    Sorry, without better context, what if edited is meaningless, unless you can place full trust in those presenting it.

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    "liberal rag frames for you"

    no, it was a quote (show where the quote is wrong).

    It was very typical of a Repug sociopath framing his own objective as "we gonna cut $100Bs off Medicare/Medicaid and nobody is gonna have any pain other than Welfare Queens sucking off the government"

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    "liberal rag frames for you"

    no, it was a quote (show where the quote is wrong).

    It was very typical of a Repug sociopath framing his own objective as "we gonna cut $100Bs off Medicare/Medicaid and nobody is gonna have any pain other than Welfare Queens sucking off the government"
    Show me that link. When I google it, I only get your post.

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    COBURN: The point is where’s the efficiency in that? The actual service going to people isn’t going to decline, the people sucking off the program are going to be the ones that lose.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...-off-programs/
    and there's a youtube so you can get you warm, fuzzy visual context

    and there's youtube on that page, so you can get a warm, fuzzy visual context to go with Coburn's high class sucking-off quote. You Stay Classy, Oklahoma.

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    COBURN: The point is where’s the efficiency in that? The actual service going to people isn’t going to decline, the people sucking off the program are going to be the ones that lose.

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/201...-off-programs/
    and there's a youtube so you can get you warm, fuzzy visual context

    and there's youtube on that page, so you can get a warm, fuzzy visual context to go with Coburn's high class sucking-off quote. You Stay Classy, Oklahoma.
    Yes, yes, yes asshole I know. But what context was that in?

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    In what context was the context?

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    In what context was the context?
    No it wasn't. Was he stating his position, or someone elses? What came before that statement.

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