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    But we know that life evolved. We have actual evidence of that. We might not know specifically how it happened, but we know it did.
    Then why is it still theory, and not fact?

    I'm saying at least make sure students know a theory isn't always 100% correct.

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    Then why is it still theory, and not fact?

    I'm saying at least make sure students know a theory isn't always 100% correct.
    So snakes like you can slither in and teach the 0% version?

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    no I didn't. I was responding to the one who did.
    Didn't mean to interfere, just enquired about your mood. Carry on.

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    ing nihilism, the calling card of the creationists.
    I lost your meaning. Elaborate please since a theist wouldn't be a nihilist.

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    "is it still theory"

    In your and other creationists' mouth, "evolution is only a theory" that's pejorative, a slander, because you don't understand science.

    Very little in science is facts, just theories with Ks or Ms of data that confirm the theory, and predictions made from the theory that came true.

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    I agree from the viewpoint that one is theory and the other a hypothesis. However, being a theory, it needs to leave room for other possibilities.
    Scientifically speaking, no. A theory has to leave no doubt and has to have at least one testable component. That's what differentiates a theory (or scientific hypothesis) and a hypothesis. There's nothing in science that disallows you to have multiple theories for the same phenomena. What science doesn't allow is to have a non-testable hypothesis.

    I have a problem with teachers who make a student question their faith by saying evolution is the only answer.
    Well, I don't know such teacher. However, I can see how a science teacher would teach established science, including contemporary theories. Frankly, any science teacher that I've known teaches the scientific method, including differentiation between theory and scientific law.

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    I lost your meaning. Elaborate please since a theist wouldn't be a nihilist.
    You make nihilist arguments about 100% certainty in an attempt to bring a scientific theory down to the level of your creationist pure conjecture.

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    Then why is it still theory, and not fact?

    I'm saying at least make sure students know a theory isn't always 100% correct.
    Unsurprisingly, this creationist dumbstruck needs an explanation of what a "theory" means in scientific terms.

    Gravity is a theory.

    Not surprising someone who never went to college doesn't know such basic stuff tbh.

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    And gravity is a of a lot more controversial than natural selection.

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    Well, I don't know such teacher. However, I can see how a science teacher would teach established science, including contemporary theories. Frankly, any science teacher that I've known teaches the scientific method, including differentiation between theory and scientific law.
    Well, growing up with religious friends, I remember some turmoil about science and faith collided. In early science classes, the scientific method isn't taught. That comes later. The schools should be careful about anything that pushes hard against one's faith.

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    Gravity is a of a lot more controversial than natural selection.
    Maybe I'm being too harsh on our lovable dumb . A lot of people have a problem understanding that in scientific terms, a "theory" is about as good as it gets. They probably think a theory means something like hypothesis. There is no "proof" in any scientific field(other than math, and even that's not really a proper scientific field per say).

    It's tiring seeing people who know absolutely nothing about science fail to understand what a theory means.

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    Well, growing up with religious friends, I remember some turmoil about science and faith collided. In early science classes, the scientific method isn't taught. That comes later. The schools should be careful about anything that pushes hard against one's faith.
    Why the should schools censor science just to placate those who believe in magic?

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    Then why is it still theory, and not fact?
    Evolution the event is a scientifically proven fact. Evolution encompasses many aspects. One is the evolutionary event, another is DNA mutation, etc. Some parts have been proven factually, some parts are still in the process of being tested and proven.

    I'm saying at least make sure students know a theory isn't always 100% correct.
    Students know. Part of learning the scientific method is knowing the difference between theory and law. What science won't do is teach that non-testable hypothesis are science.

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    I'm saying at least make sure students know a theory isn't always 100% correct.
    They do. Teachers don't need to teach religion in order to get across what "theory" means.

    You guys would have no problem with evolution if you didn't see it as contradictory to Christianity. No one ever complains about the hundreds of other scientific theories taught in public schools, but for some reason you can't mess with Adam and Eve.

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    Gravity is a theory.
    The fact of gravity as we experience it isn't theory. Just how it words.

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    Didn't mean to interfere, just enquired about your mood. Carry on.
    my mood is fine.

    I thought snc talking about calling his mom and asking about his intelligence level was pretty funny. I was just poking a bit more to see if he would say something even funnier.

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    The fact of gravity as we experience it isn't theory. Just how it words.
    The fact of evolution as we experience it isn't a theory. Just how it words.

    Crofl creationist dumb .

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    Well, growing up with religious friends, I remember some turmoil about science and faith collided. In early science classes, the scientific method isn't taught. That comes later. The schools should be careful about anything that pushes hard against one's faith.
    I don't think they should be careful at all. I think in the proper context, diversity is a great thing. Let the kids decide for themselves what they should believe.

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    As a liberal, I hope science teachers give F minuses to any kid brazen enough to identify himself as a christian within the walls of a public school. That violates my rights to be free from religion.

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    LOL...

    Saw this in SourCandy's sig, while reading other threads:


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    No one ever complains about the hundreds of other scientific theories taught in public schools....
    Most people can't name 5 scientific theories. I'm not sure I could.

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    my mood is fine.

    I thought snc talking about calling his mom and asking about his intelligence level was pretty funny. I was just poking a bit more to see if he would say something even funnier.
    Good luck.

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    As a liberal, I hope science teachers give F minuses to any kid brazen enough to identify himself as a christian within the walls of a public school. That violates my rights to be free from religion.
    You are wise.

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    so these same people also have explanations for the magic tricks that Jesus pulled off as well?
    My wiccan friends do

    point is, if you are allowed to pick and choose what is literal and what is not, then the whole thing is bull .....

    you're either all in or you're all out, imo.
    Except that's exactly how the Bible was created anyway. You have multiple authors all writing parts of the Bible in their own interpretation (even with the same divine inspiration, individual accounts would vary). Even if you view the whole as a literary prose, parts of the Bible can be thought of as accurate depictions.

    It's like a movie "inspired by true events." Some things are very close to accurate, while others are very far apart and done to make the story work. You don't have to believe the entirety is literal to believe parts of it are.

    There's also the fact that the Bible most people read has gone through 2 major revisions, and parts have gone through up to 6 or 7 translations. Hard to keep the accuracy through all that.

    Personally, I view the entire Bible as a series of parables, and therefore none of it is literal, but I also don't consider myself Christian, so my opinion doesn't realy matter.

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    There's also the fact that the Bible most people read has gone through 2 major revisions, and parts have gone through up to 6 or 7 translations. Hard to keep the accuracy through all that.
    I think this is the key to the problem. I do not believe the entire Bible in any current English form. None stray too far away from the King James version, which in my view, was clearly written to control the people.

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