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    Washington (CNN) - Erin Burnett's source says that Speaker of the House John Boehner's plan would probably result in a downgrade of the US economy by Standard and Poor’s, which could raise interest rates, while Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan could prevent a downgrade because the higher amount of cuts up front.
    http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/20...f-u-s-economy/

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    The actual text not good enough for you so you have to lie?

    Erin Burnett: Boehner plan might not prevent downgrade of U.S. economy

    New CNN anchor Erin Burnett makes her debut on the network during a special hour leading up to President Obama’s address to the nation on the debt limit impasse and the potential default of the full faith and credit of the United States if an agreement in Congress isn't made.

    Burnett's source says that Speaker of the House John Boehner's plan might result in a downgrade of the US economy by Standard and Poor’s, which could raise interest rates, while Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan could prevent a downgrade because the higher amount of cuts up front.

    Burnett’s show premieres in the Fall at 7p ET on CNN.

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    Fear the downgrade

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    She also thinks we should not complain about chinese toys with lead in them or toxic food from china. We should just be grateful they are cheap.

    We will be downgraded regardless of the plan. Your choice who you want to blame for it.

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    yeah require a balance budget would downgrade
    unreal

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    Reid's "higher" number is totally bogus since it includes 1 trillion of "savings" from getting out of Iraq when we were going to do it anyway.

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    "getting out of Iraq when we were going to do it anyway"

    no, we're "never" getting out of Iraq.

    That $1B US Imperial embassy disfiguring the center of Bagdad will have 1000s of employees and 1000s of high-paid mercenaries defending it, for decades. US/UK oilcos gotta get their oil that the US military died for and US taxpayers paid for.
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    Does no one care that the OP actually went in to the quote and changed "might" to "probably" for the sake of the le AND his quote?

    Regardless of what side you are on... that's dishonest and de able.

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    The actual text not good enough for you so you have to lie?

    Erin Burnett: Boehner plan might not prevent downgrade of U.S. economy

    New CNN anchor Erin Burnett makes her debut on the network during a special hour leading up to President Obama’s address to the nation on the debt limit impasse and the potential default of the full faith and credit of the United States if an agreement in Congress isn't made.

    Burnett's source says that Speaker of the House John Boehner's plan might result in a downgrade of the US economy by Standard and Poor’s, which could raise interest rates, while Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid’s plan could prevent a downgrade because the higher amount of cuts up front.

    Burnett’s show premieres in the Fall at 7p ET on CNN.
    Very clever, you changed the "would probably" to "might".

    Let's try a new word: "inevitable"

    http://news.yahoo.com/u-credit-downg...032700785.html

    Cut only, with no revenues, will not be sufficient to convince steely-eyed analysts that the US political system can produce a solution that will substantially reduce our debt.

    The ultimate irony is that the tea party s who wave their hands and cry the most about taxes are taking actions that will likely *increase* taxes in the long run.

    A downgrade will increase borrowing costs, and that will require either more debt, or more taxes, or even more cuts, probably a combination of all three.

    Our choices are raise taxes a little now, or raise them a lot later.

    We have what amounts to a temper tantrum from the right-wing extremists in the GOP because they don't want to take their medicine and it is costing us all. A spoiled child who will cry and scream until he gets what he wants.

    "my way or the highway". wah.


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    "getting out of Iraq when we were going to do it anyway"

    no, we're "never" getting out of Iraq.

    That $1B US Imperial embassy disfiguring the center of Bagdad will have 1000s of employees and 1000s of high-paid mercenaries defending it, for decades. US/UK oilcos gotta get their oil that the US military died for and US taxpayers paid for.
    So in other words, you agree with CC that Reid's plan is fiction.

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    Very clever, you changed the "would probably" to "might".

    Let's try a new word: "inevitable"

    http://news.yahoo.com/u-credit-downg...032700785.html

    Cut only, with no revenues, will not be sufficient to convince steely-eyed analysts that the US political system can produce a solution that will substantially reduce our debt.

    The ultimate irony is that the tea party s who wave their hands and cry the most about taxes are taking actions that will likely *increase* taxes in the long run.

    A downgrade will increase borrowing costs, and that will require either more debt, or more taxes, or even more cuts, probably a combination of all three.

    Our choices are raise taxes a little now, or raise them a lot later.

    We have what amounts to a temper tantrum from the right-wing extremists in the GOP because they don't want to take their medicine and it is costing us all. A spoiled child who will cry and scream until he gets what he wants.

    "my way or the highway". wah.


    I didn't change anything... that is the ACTUAL text of the link...
    I don't underestimate the seriousness of the situation... but that video isn't specifically blaming the boehner plan (from some anonymous investor source ) is it?

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    Does no one care that the OP actually went in to the quote and changed "might" to "probably" for the sake of the le AND his quote?

    Regardless of what side you are on... that's dishonest and de able.
    You are assuming, of course, that the blog was NOT edited or changed in the time span between when the thread was started and the time you clicked on it.

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    Does no one care that the OP actually went in to the quote and changed "might" to "probably" for the sake of the le AND his quote?

    Regardless of what side you are on... that's dishonest and de able.
    Funny how I find it both ways on CNN!

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    You are assuming, of course, that the blog was NOT edited or changed in the time span between when the thread was started and the time you clicked on it.
    of course he has that out.

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    I didn't change anything... that is the ACTUAL text of the link.
    I was under the mistaken impression that it was you who did the changing. My bad, sorry about that. The rest of it stands.

    Either way, the real word is closer "inevitable" unless something more drastic than what has been proposed so far by the Republicans is enacted. That is the general consensus in the financial/economic analysis I have seen. Not unanimous, but I would generally concur.

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    Does no one care that the OP actually went in to the quote and changed "might" to "probably" for the sake of the le AND his quote?

    Regardless of what side you are on... that's dishonest and de able.
    On the one hand, it's definitely a dewshy move.

    On the other, if I got fired up every time someone did something dewshy on the internet I'd have a heart attack.

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    I didn't change anything... that is the ACTUAL text of the link...
    I don't underestimate the seriousness of the situation... but that video isn't specifically blaming the boehner plan (from some anonymous investor source ) is it?
    S & P has been talking about it since april:
    S&P threatens to cut U.S. credit rating on deficit (sorry lost the link, but the article was from april 18)


    Then they were saying one in three, now it is one in two.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...uYI_story.html

    Her source may be anomymous, but the source is not alone in his/her judgment.

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    On the one hand, it's definitely a dewshy move.

    On the other, if I got fired up every time someone did something dewshy on the internet I'd have a heart attack.
    Thats why I'm such a huge daily poster here right?

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    S & P has been talking about it since april:
    S&P threatens to cut U.S. credit rating on deficit (sorry lost the link, but the article was from april 18)


    Then they were saying one in three, now it is one in two.
    http://www.washingtonpost.com/busine...uYI_story.html

    Her source may be anomymous, but the source is not alone in his/her judgment.

    S&P specifically talked about how boehner's plan would precipitate a downgrade and Reid's would not... And this started in April?

    Don't convolute the statement made by the OP by bringing in an unrelated logical premise.

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    S&P specifically talked about how boehner's plan would precipitate a downgrade and Reid's would not... And this started in April?

    Don't convolute the statement made by the OP by bringing in an unrelated logical premise.
    I didn't change anything... that is the ACTUAL text of the link...
    I don't underestimate the seriousness of the situation... but that video isn't specifically blaming the boehner plan (from some anonymous investor source ) is it?
    *You* brought up the credibility of the "anonymous source", dumbass.

    I was merely pointing out that the idea was not created by the journalist. Regurgitated, maybe, but not created.

    (edit)

    also FWIW ad hominem doesn't really discredit the idea of the OP in and of itself, created idea, anonymous, or not.

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    Does no one care that the OP actually went in to the quote and changed "might" to "probably" for the sake of the le AND his quote?

    Regardless of what side you are on... that's dishonest and de able.
    we see alot of de able, dishonest stories on cable news..

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    Fear rising interest rates we can not even pay in the first place!!!! oh noes

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    Somebody is betting big on a ratings downgrade.

    http://moneymorning.com/2011/07/25/t...#post-id-53058

    The $1 Billion Armageddon Trade Placed Against the United States

    BY JACK BARNES, Contributing Writer, Money Morning
    Someone dropped a bomb on the bond market Thursday - a $1 billion Armageddon trade betting the United States will lose its AAA credit rating.
    In one moment, an invisible trader placed a single trade that moved the most liquid debt market in the world.

    The massive trade wasn't placed in bonds themselves; it was placed in the futures market.

    The trade was for block trades of 5,370 10-year Treasury futures executed at 124-03 and 3,100 Treasury bond futures executed at 125-01.
    The value of the trade was about $850 million dollars. In simple terms, if that was a direct bond buy, no one would be talking about it.
    However, with the use of futures, you have to have margin capacity behind the trade. That means with a single push of a button someone was willing to commit more than $1 billion of real capital to this trade with expectations of a 10-to-1 return ratio.

    You only do this if you see an edge.

    This means someone is confident that the United States is either going to default or is going to lose its AAA rating. That someone is willing to bet the proverbial farm that U.S. interest rates will be going up.
    I believe what happened is a debt-ceiling deal was done in Washington and leaked to a major proprietary trader. Everyone knows the debt negotiations in Washington have been an extreme game of brinksmanship between political parties, but now someone knows how that game played out.
    This had the hallmarks of one of the largest bond shops in the world knowing something the rest of the market didn't.

    The number of shops or even central banks that can take on this level of market risk is extremely small. Some that come to mind are hedge fund manager John Paulson, Bill Gross's PIMCO, and the U.S. and Chinese central banks.

    Paulson already scored big - about $6 billion big - on a similar trade years ago when he bet against subprime mortgages, the investments that helped bring down Lehman Bros. and many other investors.

    Whoever was behind it wanted a trade on ASAP, and didn't care about the ripples they would cause.

    You can see how this trade caused fear to be unleashed in the market once it got out and the implications hit by looking at U.S. Treasuries. People who were long 30-year Treasuries panicked as they saw the huge short put on the futures market, and started to unwind their long exposure.

    What you, as investors, should do now is look at the bond exchange-traded funds (ETFs) that provide a positive rate of return when U.S. Treasuries drop in value. Yields are going up sooner rather than later, if the person behind this Armageddon trade is correct.

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    *You* brought up the credibility of the "anonymous source", dumbass.

    I was merely pointing out that the idea was not created by the journalist. Regurgitated, maybe, but not created.

    (edit)

    also FWIW ad hominem doesn't really discredit the idea of the OP in and of itself, created idea, anonymous, or not.
    You're the one that has been wrong once admittedly... ON THIS THREAD... I didn't call you a dumbass...

    When I corrected you the other day on a math problem (about painted cubes) you solved to show how smart you were on your job interview thread... I didn't call you a dumbass...

    And you are still arguing about the wrong part of my statement... what does me arguing about the credibility of a source that mentions boehner and reid's plans by name and says one is better than the other have to do with the S&P saying that the US is in danger of a downgrade IN GENERAL?!?!?!?
    Last edited by Sec24Row7; 07-26-2011 at 10:47 AM.

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    You're the one that has been wrong once admittedly... ON THIS THREAD... I didn't call you a dumbass...

    When I corrected you the other day on a math problem (about painted cubes) you solved to show how smart you were on your job interview thread... I didn't call you a dumbass...

    And you are still arguing about the wrong part of my statement... what does me arguing about the credibility of a source that mentions boehner and reid's plans by name and says one is better than the other have to do with the S&P saying that the US is in danger of a downgrade IN GENERAL?!?!?!?
    Who gives a ? The bottom line is S&P thinks Boehner's plan is .

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