He is a top 20-25 player of all time, there's not really an argument against it now.
tbqh, I'm not sure any of the Mavs fans here honestly are trying to hold that against D-Rob. I have nothing but respect for the guy, and he used to be one of my favorite players in the league. I think anyone who has posted on ST long enough, knows exactly what is going on in this thread.
I knew I wouldn't be disappointed. New rule by Zissou: I interpret whatever you want to say however i want and you have to agree that you said what I say you said.
2-straight and 3-straight is regulating the interwebs like he is supposed to.
all we need is a laker fan to argue that Kobe > Duncan or Robinson, and ambchang will go on a 5 page rant on how Mo Williams > Kobe in his re ed research
Both those players were clearly better all-around players than Dirk. Your boy Diggler is great at one thing, putting the ball in the hoop. Magic and Bird could do alot more than just score. Both were great rebounders for their position and were some of the best passers in the league.
You said he didnt sniff the Finals, not that he didnt reach them. WCF is as close as you can get.WCF = Finals?
Gotcha.
They won 62 games. You don't win that many games without a solid team.
You win them by having the DPOY and MVP on your team. You win them by having a player finish in the Top 5 in scoring, rebounding, and blocked shots. You win them by having a player on the first team All-NBA and All-Defense.
Can you name 2 chokejobs by any of those all-time clutch performers that rival Dirk's in 06' and 07'?Everyone has their times when things don't go their way. Even guys like Jordan, Kareem, Hakeem, Bird, etc... wasn't flawless in this regard. But there are a lot more times that these guys did succeed, as opposed to not succeeding in these situations. Same for Dirk. For every legitimately bad clutch performance, I can name 2 great ones.
In what area am I not giving Dirk his due?
How do you win games? Scoring more points than your opponent.
How do you score points? You put the ball in the hoop.
Dirk is great at doing the ultimate goal in basketball... scoring the most points.
Still not in them.
But but but I thought its a team game? You keep whining about how the Mavs won a championship as a team, with good guys surrounding Dirk. I'd say that applies in this case too. You can't win 60+ games with one player.
Probably not, but then again, no one here said Dirk is on the same level as guys like MJ and Kareem. So that's a pretty moot point.
I'd only say Nowitzki has one bad game in 06. 07 was certainly a textbook choke though. As was Bird's in 83 and Magic's in 84.
Yes sir. As a Spurstalk poster, what I post and how I think should be regulated by you, because you have the self-appointed authority to somehow set up random rules at your convenience.
When will the next rule pop up? Would 5:21 be a good time, or do you prefer to do that when you have no valid points to make and need to move the goal post?
I would have thought that applying your logic in a consistent manner is what you want.
BTW, Billups > Stockton according to MK.
You can also outscore your opponent by playing better defense than them and thus allowing less points. Ive never denied Dirk is a great offensive player btw, I put him as maybe a Top 15 offensive player ever.
I never argued he was in them w/o TD. I argued your claim that he never sniffed them.Still not in them.
It would apply if those players stepped up in the playoffs the way Dirk's stepped up this year, and Robinson's Spurs were still ousted. That never happened though.But but but I thought its a team game? You keep whining about how the Mavs won a championship as a team, with good guys surrounding Dirk. I'd say that applies in this case too. You can't win 60+ games with one player.
As far as clutch performances go he is, atleast according to you. You clearly said he steps up in the 4th as well as any player has ever done. Which is a ridiculous statement to make tbh.Probably not, but then again, no one here said Dirk is on the same level as guys like MJ and Kareem. So that's a pretty moot point.
by not acknowledging him as a top 20-25 player of all time, which he is.
Top notch logic, tbh.
preventing points still isn't scoring points.
If you smell an apple, its because you are in the presence of an apple.
D-Rob was not in the presence of an NBA Finals, thus he did not sniff them.
Could it be that Dirk's stepping up and being dominant, made it easier for them to step up and be effective? Food for thought...
I said in the Finals, he had among the greatest 4th quarter scoring averages in NBA history. I think only Shaq and MJ has ever had a higher 4th quarter average through an NBA Finals. So I believe you simply misunderstood my statement, which isn't a suprise.
Drive for Five!
Mark Madsen > D-Rob
its a simple fact
3 as a role player > 2 as a role player
Sooo...me saying that I think David was better than Dirk is nuthuggery? It's called an opinion. So anytime anyone has an opinion that one person is better than another they're nuthugging? So me saying Jordan is better than Kobe is me nuthugging Jordan? I'm only asking because your concept of this term seems to be completely different from everyone else. I guess everyone in here who says David was better than Dirk is a nuthugger too? Get a life, Blake..and while you're at it, get that big ing stick out of your ass.that bit of nut huggery was nicely executed.
Really? I had no idea.
Im giving your boy his props offensively, what more do you want?
Nahh , pretty sure sniffing=getting closeIf you smell an apple, its because you are in the presence of an apple.
D-Rob was not in the presence of an NBA Finals, thus he did not sniff them.
Why didnt you just say he never reached the Finals w/o TD to begin with?
Sure it helped, but its not like DRob wasnt dominant as well.Could it be that Dirk's stepping up and being dominant, made it easier for them to step up and be effective? Food for thought...
Wouldve liked to have seen DRob shoot 40% from the field in a WCF series and the Spurs still win the series tbh.
Show me where you said in the Finals, you didnt specifically say the Finals. Not that it would matter bc the 06' chokejob cannot be overlooked.I said in the Finals, he had among the greatest 4th quarter scoring averages in NBA history. I think only Shaq and MJ has ever had a higher 4th quarter average through an NBA Finals. So I believe you simply misunderstood my statement, which isn't a suprise.
I have actually, pretty sure I said imho he was somewhere around the Top 25 range in a thread discussing where he ranks now...case could be made that hes just in or on the verge of it. Doesnt mean hes better than Robinson though.
Never said I wanted anything. Just stating facts and regulating those who need to be regulated.
Nope. He never sniffed the Finals. If he was in them, he would have.Nahh , pretty sure sniffing=getting close
Why didnt you just say he never reached the Finals w/o TD to begin with?
He was pretty inconsistent in that series against the Rockets, and got completely face ed by Hakeem in the process.
I don't think there has been many, if any series that the Mavs won where Dirk shot 40% or worse, especially against a good team.
No, I never specifically said that, although one would think it would be implied considering our conversation has been about these guys being in the Finals. Or rather Dirk leading a team to the finals, something D-Rob never did. Then again, comprehension isn't a strong suit for you, so I should have known better.
If Dirk choked in 06, then D-Rob choked against Houston. Is that what you are saying?
I forget, who was it that face ed Dirk in 06?
The same guy that Dirk face ed, and ended up beating.
Unfortunately for Davey, he couldn't face back. He could only get face ed.
lol
You try to deflect the original argument, that Dirk does not compare to all-time greats when it comes to versatility/other aspects of the game. He really only rivals them in scoring, which Ive more than given him props for.
lol changing the meaning of sniffingNope. He never sniffed the Finals. If he was in them, he would have.
He got face ed on the defensive end. He put up his numbers on the other end, the rest of the team didnt follow.He was pretty inconsistent in that series against the Rockets, and got completely face ed by Hakeem in the process.
42% just this past seriesI don't think there has been many, if any series that the Mavs won where Dirk shot 40% or worse, especially against a good team.
lol keep moving those goal postsNo, I never specifically said that, although one would think it would be implied considering our conversation has been about these guys being in the Finals. Or rather Dirk leading a team to the finals, something D-Rob never did. Then again, comprehension isn't a strong suit for you, so I should have known better.
If Dirk choked in 06, then D-Rob choked against Houston. Is that what you are saying?
You compared him to the all-time clutch performers, so this has nothing to do with Robinson. He wasnt an all-time clutch performer but than again neither is Dirk, regardless of what he did this yr.
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