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    so that's why we need to fix or piece of healtcare.

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    New Health Expenditures Report Shows That Health Reform Was A Good Deal


    Note that the growth rate of 5% - 6% is well above (Medicare boomer) population growth rate or inflation (if the Banskters' Great Depression holds down demand, and price-push doesn't explode).

    iow, "6 percent historical average", compound that one! Ma Fellow Human-Americans, is way above the benefits to patients, who are not 6% better or healthier or more cured EVERY YEAR.

    But BigPharma's $Bs own DC (Congressmen are very cheap) and nobody, esp not a shill-for-VRWC like Samuelson, can "afford" to challenge the BigPharma vampire-squid.

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    There is an even easier way to fix our problem.

    Import more workers. Throw open the doors to immigration, and put a massive effort into streamlining the process.

    1) It would take away the demand for "illegal" immigrants, and the demand for people to get here illegally if you decrminalize it.

    2) We can easily import all the educated people that other countries produce.
    importing manual laborers isn't necessary. There are enough illegals that should be "normalized" like any legal employee, paying income tax, and payroll taxes. A public heatlh insurance option as an added payroll tax would pay for such no-benefits workers, rather than citizen taxpayers, paying for their own health care and getting them out of the ER.

    importing knowledge workers is strongly supported by corps, esp Silicon Valley and Microsoft, who then pay such workers under what they pay Americans. That's why the UCA is constantly whining about the 85,000 cap on H1B visas.

    anyway, more workers isn't the problem. They all run up the health bill. The problem that Samuelson refuses to address is the "historical avg" of 6% growth in sick-care expenses.

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    The GOP certainly doesn't want to talk about it, because oldsters are a very strong GOP voter bloc. Cut them off, and it's 1932-1992 all over again.

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    The GOP certainly doesn't want to talk about it, because oldsters are a very strong GOP voter bloc. Cut them off, and it's 1932-1992 all over again.
    Do you get all your current events from Boutons?

    Does the "Ryan plan" ring a bell?

    Republicans were flamed to a crisp for putting SS and Medicare cuts on the table.

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    Does the "Ryan plan" ring a bell?
    The Ryan plan is an awful plan. A plan not even the GOP will vote for. Passing that plan is political suicide.

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    My point was that making absolute statements that the GOP won't consider en lement cuts is absoute bull and Boutonesque.

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    My point was that making absolute statements that the GOP won't consider en lement cuts is absoute bull and Boutonesque.
    But they won't. Neither will the Dems, realistically speaking.
    The Ryan plan was a great sales speech for his campaign. Much like hopey and changey. It's lip service. The only way they're going to address it is when already hit the fan. That's our politikos at work.

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    Do you get all your current events from Boutons?

    Does the "Ryan plan" ring a bell?

    Republicans were flamed to a crisp for putting SS and Medicare cuts on the table.
    Hardly anybody, including Ryan, is talking about the sadistic Ryan plan anymore.

    I have seen studies showing Ryan's plan will increase, not decrease, the deficit. oops (but it will impoverish senior Americans and enrich the sick-care industry).

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    Hardly anybody, including Ryan, is talking about the sadistic Ryan plan anymore.

    I have seen studies showing Ryan's plan will increase, not decrease, the deficit. oops (but it will impoverish senior Americans and enrich the sick-care industry).
    Considering the sources you get your "facts" from I am hardly surprised you found a "study" that reinforces your delusions.

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    The last person anybody should believe about the Ryan plan is Ryan. He's just another wealthy Repug lying his way into ing over the bottom 95%.

    CC, show your sources, other than Ryan's lies, that shows Ryan's plan solve anything other than enriching/protecting UCA.

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    The last person anybody should believe about the Ryan plan is Ryan. He's just another wealthy Repug lying his way into ing over the bottom 95%.

    CC, show your sources, other than Ryan's lies, that shows Ryan's plan solve anything other than enriching/protecting UCA.
    No rational person claimed the Ryan plan would not reduce spending. The big knock was "balance" and that it didn't include tax increases on the "rich".

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    Ryan plan would double health care costs for seniors on Medicare.

    http://tucsoncitizen.com/medicare/20...s-on-medicare/

    Analysis: Medicare And Medicaid Get Squeezed In Ryan Plan

    http://www.kaiserhealthnews.org/Stor...cal-Times.aspx

    Ryan Plan Pushes Optimism to the Outer Limits

    The GOP-commissioned analysis forecasts a new housing boom and the lowest unemployment rate since 1953.

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/budge...imits-20110405

    Chairman Ryan Gets Nearly Two-Thirds of His Huge Budget Cuts From Programs for Lower-Income Americans

    http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3451

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    Put all tax rates back to 1980 when the VRWC's Useful Idiot St Ronnie got the VRWC destruction going, and everything's fine.

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