Making character/value judgments based on the calendar = Making character/value judgments based on race, religion, gender, hair color, etc.
I didn't lump them all together. Its called finding trends within a demographic. Advertisers and political pollsters do it all the time with great success.
There is a difference between saying that there are a of people aged 45 who smoke and saying you smoke because you are 45. Of course its not a genous group, dip .
The only ignorance here is your lack of ability to differentiate between holistic and reductionist analysis.
Its called ageism.
So you cannot say that black americans are likely to vote democratic?
or that christian is likely to be married?
Despite all my vitriol, what i am saying is that baby boomer americans are likely to pass certain types of policies and lead in certain ways.
the issue here is that I have not fleshed it out enough and people like boutons and darrin and annoy the piss out of me so I go off.
What I need to do is categorize the various legislation over the last 30 years and track voting records to analyze on the basis of generation. As a control I could look at other time periods and analyze the same relative by age.
I actually would be surprised if that had not already been done. I need to look.
"boutons .... annoy the piss out of me"
great, then my message is getting through, but obviously you distort it and conclude horribly wrongly my positions.
tension between the generations is ancient. Most people tend to become more conservative as they age, as they find out the idealism and principles of their youth run up against the inertia and immovability of society. They realize they have to make a living, pay the bills, and get bought off and compromised.
There's nothing unique about the boomer generation. I expect had the Boomers lived through the Depression and WWII they'd be no different from their parents, and same with their parents had they grown up in the 1950s - 70s.
Anyway, that UCA and capitalists now have unprecedented power to own and direct govt and USA. It's an old story, going back the FFs, and not only in USA.
The post-Boomers can't and won't do a ing thing about takng that power back and reducing the destructive, impoverishing, dispiriting wealth inequality.
The kleptocratic plutocracy, intelligent, aggressive, sophisticated, hidden behind proxies, enabled by fat, igorant, diseased, disengaged, duped Human-Americans, has its jackboot on the lower 95%'s necks, and it won't let up. The plutocrats are celebrating how they've totally totally won every point with this ty debt deal, costing them not a penny, while continuing to crush everybody else.
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So thats the excuse for your generations abandonment of ideals? You were bought off?
Well it certainly seems the purchasing price was big and open ended.
Excuse? no, explanation (which is not mine), yes. Everybody's got a price.
People who stand up to power, you get crushed in nearly every case, and I'm not talking about physical violence. eg, whisteblowers, women raped by KBR or DSK, Daniel Ellsberg, etc, etc.
You don't have to commit a crime (unless you really want to get to the top), you just have to keep your head down, STFU, and let the others commit their crimes.
8 Reasons Young Americans Don't Fight Back: How the US Crushed Youth Resistance
1. Student-Loan Debt.
2. Psychopathologizing and Medicating Noncompliance.
3. Schools That Educate for Compliance and Not for Democracy.
4. “No Child Left Behind” and “Race to the Top.”
5. Shaming Young People Who Take Education—But Not Their Schooling—Seriously.
6. The Normalization of Surveillance.
7. Television.
8. Fundamentalist Religion and Fundamentalist Consumerism
http://www.alternet.org/module/printversion/151850
I love how you manage to be grandiose and trite at the same time. Have you been taking lessons from Darrin?
Also, calling your crass quasi-sociological generalizations holism, courts hilarity.
Trite on what basis? Trite to people that read polling data? Guess you got me.
If you disagree then fine but this smarmy sarcasm routine that fails to actually address much less contest a thing is pretty lame.
Whats really awesome is that you try to demean my diction and you have been bringing up anthropology and now making up ship like quasi-sociological which in and of itself a generalization.
What else am I supposed to call it when I look at the actions of a voting block or an entire generation? Reductionism and holism is just an approach and nothing more. Holism gets all this mumbo jumbo spiritualism attached to it all the time. Thats not me.
Are you really going to disagree that baby boomers especially the white male ones are a voting block that tends to vote as a block on many issues? I mean you see them being appealed to in advertising and political campaigns everywhere?
But wait you don't want to have a discussion you want to take the weak little yippy dog routine barking shrilly from the sideline.
Last edited by FuzzyLumpkins; 08-01-2011 at 11:47 AM.
No just you have a price. Now you could force me to do something through pain or threat of pain but I just would not do anything for money.
If you do not believe me then fine but I found the actions of particular Japanese citizens in the face of disaster to be heartening to the possibilities of the human spirit.
I actually have always disliked this idea that getting rid of your ideals is just a right of passage to adulthood. It just sounds like a copout.
who's trapped in political dualism now?Are you really going to disagree that baby boomers especially the white male ones are a voting block that tends to vote as a block on many issues?
See, now you are onto something. It's not just the boomers, but the white, male boomers that are truly evil.
Alrightythen.
I know how you really love the deep talks around here, Fuzzy. I'm not sorry to have left you deprived on that count. TeyshaBlue pretty much demolished you upstream.
How is that dualism. they can vote however they want. Where is the one or-the-other dynamic here.who's trapped in political dualism now?
I thought you were trying to tease out significant trends. My bad.
Now the, 'I support the previous argument and have none of my own' argument. What was the demolition and please be specific.?
And this routine is old. Taking pop shots like 'quasi-sociology' and then not at least standing by them is intellectual cowardice.
I never said they were evil. Id di say that as a whole they dominate the political and economic landscape and their lawmaking and administration as a whole is counterproductive.
Go enter some code for your boss.
Call it whatever you like, but do please continue ranting. I stand by my PFA comments.
(yawn)
I never used the term tease. Now you are just building strawman mischaracterizations to try and speak sarcastically about them.
Its not even argument. Its you being butthurt and having now way to come up with an intelligent replay to what i am saying.
We're getting there, Fuzzy, we're getting there. After I posted yesterday my husband collapsed and I took him to the little hospital up here...he will probably be okay for now. But both of us have made out living wills and medical directives that insist on no heroic measures being taken in case of extreme difficulty. Neither of us wants to prolong death under the ruse of prolonging life.
So, while we are not getting out of the way as fast as some would like, we are getting there...just give it a little time until the post-BB utopia envelopes America.
And the best of luck to all of you.
I am not ranting. i ranted last night. Now I am asking you to qualify your responses and you won't. You are just trying to make a for tat pissing match rather than actually discuss what my rants actually said.
Its do like that I have several board baby boomers with their panties firmly up their ass crack.
The connection of what you have been saying to sociology and demography and so forth, is transparently bogus. Hence quasi-...Now you are just building strawman mischaracterizations to try and speak sarcastically about them.
My what a salty imagination you have.
(I'm not a boomer btw. By your phony baloney approximation of sociology, I count as a GenerationX-er.)
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