Positions Harden as N.B.A. and Union Debate How to Split Revenue
“We met for several hours, and I think it’s fair to say that we’re at the same place as we were 30 days ago,” Commissioner David Stern said afterward. “I don’t feel optimistic about the players’ willingness to engage in a serious way.”
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/sp...er=rss&emc=rss
these s can't live a cheap life anymore dem be used to such a luxrious life they've been livin in. we are fans of this game but our lives wouldn't be much affected if the game died, the players whereas cannot afford to live a life w/o this game. dem just be street s like u & me & everyone else before they turned pro playin it, bball changed their lives & everything
NBA files unfair labor practice charge and federal lawsuit charge against Players Association
The NBA filed two claims today against the National Basketball Players Association: an unfair labor practice charge before the National Labor Relations Board, and a lawsuit in federal district court in New York. The unfair labor practice charge asserts that the Players Association has failed to bargain in good faith by virtue of its unlawful threats to commence a sham “decertification” and an an rust lawsuit challenging the NBA’s lockout. The federal lawsuit seeks to establish, among other things, that the NBA’s lockout does not violate federal an rust laws and that if the Players Association’s “decertification” were found to be lawful, all existing player contracts would become void and unenforceable.
“These claims were filed in an effort to eliminate the use of impermissible pressure tactics by the union which are impeding the parties’ ability to negotiate a new collective bargaining agreement,” said NBA Deputy Commissioner and Chief Operating Officer Adam Silver. “For the parties to reach agreement on a new CBA, the union must commit to the collective bargaining process fully and in good faith.”
Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8109#ixzz1Tsp6Re8x
Not knowing much about the NBA CBA deal before this debacle, how in the world did the owners ever agree to a 57% cut for the players?!
That ranks on the dumb scale.
Yep, looks like this is gonna get ugly.
Looks like it is hockey for me this fall.
Update: In response to the above, here is a statement from NBPA Executive Director Billy Hunter regarding the legal actions filed by the NBA: “The litigation tactics of the NBA today are just another example of their bad faith bargaining and we will seek the complete dismissal of the actions as they are totally without merit. The NBA Players Association has not made any decision to disclaim its role as the collective bargaining representative of the players and has been engaged in good faith bargaining with the NBA for over two years. We urge the NBA to engage with us at the bargaining table and to use more productively the short time we have left before the 2011-12 season is seriously jeopardized.”
Read more: http://www.insidehoops.com/blog/?p=8109#ixzz1Ttfgd7L5
I seriously doubt there is going to be a season. I'm not upset at the prospect of losing Duncan and his 20 Million $ salary because he was really at his end anyways. Ginobili getting older hurts though.
No NBA season is going to suck. At least we have NFL and college football.
NBA owners have long memories. Once this CBA is settled I wonder what type of retribution will come the way of FIBA. I could see them no longer recognizing their authority and maybe even see that become a point in the new CBA.
Well articulated.
I've also set my expectations towards the belief that there won't be any NBA this year.
It sucks, but it is what it is. I am truly looking forward to college basketball this year though. It's not usually high on my radar, other than my own team that I root for. But this year I'm excited to see alot of individual players and alot of stacked teams go at it. NC, Kentucky, Ohio St, Villanova, Syracuse, Baylor ...
I'll miss the NBA, but as the Pistons currently suck, it won't be a huge emotional loss. I'd probably feel different if I was a fan of a realistic contender.
The Autumn of David Stern
http://www.thenation.com/blog/162499...el=emailNation
Positions Harden as N.B.A. and Union Debate How to Split Revenue
Apparently, time does not heal all wounds when it comes to the N.B.A. lockout.
The league and the players union had formal meetings Monday for the first time since the lockout began a month ago, and little appears to have been accomplished. Both sides promised to meet several more times this month.
They remain far apart on the critical issue of how to divide the league’s roughly $4 billion in annual revenue. Under the old agreement, the players receive about 57 percent of so-called basketball-related income. The N.B.A. owners say that amount must be cut substantially so the league’s ailing teams can be nursed back to financial health.
The union’s chief player representative, Derek Fisher of the Los Angeles Lakers, said that was unacceptable.
Both sides said that no new issues or proposals were introduced at the meetings, which were held at a hotel in Midtown Manhattan and ended after about three hours.
“We met for several hours, and I think it’s fair to say that we’re at the same place as we were 30 days ago,” Commissioner David Stern said afterward. “I don’t feel optimistic about the players’ willingness to engage in a serious way.”
Fisher said that all other issues, including whether there should be a hard salary cap or a flexible one, have taken a back seat to the question of how to divide the league’s revenue, a situation similar what the N.F.L. and its players union faced several months ago.
“That’s going to be the hard work ahead of us in the next couple of weeks: how to get to a place where the split is what we consider to be fair for our players, but also makes an attempt to address the concerns and the issues that our owners are putting out,” Fisher said.
Fisher said there would be more scrutiny on talks between the N.B.A. and the union now that the N.F.L. lockout had ended. But neither side said it felt compelled to act quickly simply because another league has ended its stalemate.
Stern said that the league’s owners “very much want to make a deal,” and “they’ve expressed a willingness to negotiate and compromise.” But clearly, some owners are more anxious than others about missing any games.
The Detroit Pistons and the Golden State Warriors, for instance, have new owners who want to recoup some of their investment. The Orlando Magic have a new arena to pay for as well. The Nets, who are playing their last season in New Jersey, want to promote their impending move to Brooklyn.
The Nets recently sent their season-ticket holders a letter that outlined contingencies in case any games are missed because of the lockout. They include refunds for tickets to any games that are canceled and 1 percent interest.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/02/sp...gewanted=print
and it will not get easier after the NBA filed a lawsuit against the players organisation
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/08/02/n....ap/index.html
You can say goodbye to an NBA season and prob. Duncans career
lol @ Stern's version of 'negotiate and compromise'...
Stern: New revenue split: owners 80% - players 20%
Union: No
Stern: Ok.. owners 70% - players 30%
Union: No
Stern: We've been willing to negotiate and compromise and they still say no
NBA commissioner David Stern will not collect on his eight-figure salary during the ongoing lockout, according to sources with knowledge of Stern's pay status.
Amid growing tensions on both sides of a labor impasse that has lasted 33 days, with owners proposing sharp cuts in salary and contract lengths, and with no end in sight to the stalemate, Philadelphia 76ers center Spencer Hawes this week publicly questioned via Twitter why there have been "no rumblings about a pay cut for (Stern) while he asks every single player to do so."
Stern has given no indication that he will agree to lower his salary when the sides ultimately do hammer out a new labor agreement that is expected to be far more restrictive for players. Yet sources confirmed Tuesday that, during the work stoppage, Stern will indeed pass on collecting a salary that, based on a New York Daily News report in February, has been estimated as high as $23 million annually.
and more..
Responding to a question at the time about whether he would drop his salary to $1 as NFL commissioner Roger Goodell did during the NFL's lockout, Stern said: "Well, I would say that last time (during the NBA's 1998-99 lockout) I didn't take a salary. I think a dollar would be too high in the event of a work stoppage."
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/68...id-nba-lockoutHmm...but sorry still can't feel sympathy for Stern or really any side in this scenario other than the working class and fans.
Players aren't much better. Tbh fans should be turning on the owners more than Stern, dude's just parroting the owners anyway.lol @ Stern's version of 'negotiate and compromise'...
Stern: New revenue split: owners 80% - players 20%
Union: No
Stern: Ok.. owners 70% - players 30%
Union: No
Stern: We've been willing to negotiate and compromise and they still say no
It's a travesty if he never takes the court again. Although he probably doesn't want it, he deserves a farewell tour more than any other current player.
Classiest All Star of his era.
Good read and this is why the players should decertify. Stern is trying to break the Union and the players will start to feel it when the checks dont come in November.
The NBA is threatening to void out the contracts, which is purely BS. Can you imagine the Miami Heat voiding out James and Wade's contracts. Not going to happen. Hunter needs to be more aggressive like the NFLPA did by starting the process of decertification.
Collective bargaining rules mean that you must make a counter proposal. You just can't keep saying no. So the players could come back and say 80% for the players and 20% for the owners. They have to start somewhere and then start whittling away between the two. They can't just keep saying no.lol @ Stern's version of 'negotiate and compromise'...
Stern: New revenue split: owners 80% - players 20%
Union: No
Stern: Ok.. owners 70% - players 30%
Union: No
Stern: We've been willing to negotiate and compromise and they still say no
Actually Collective Bargaining Rules Do Not require you to make a counter-proposal when an "activity" is making unfair demands- usually a significant deviation from prior practice. I have a little knowledge about this sort of thing. I am the ULP and workers comp specialist for the Largest Dept of Defense Local in the US. check it out www.afgelocal987.org <go to staff and contacts> I'm full timer Ray Wessels double check by sending me an email at the listed address ray{dot}wessels{at}afgelocal987{dot}org if you doubt me.
some may recognize my logon name from game chats at mysa
You are correct. The issue comes in to play as to what is a deviation of prior practice. The last CBA can be seen negotiated from the owners prospective with X amount of profits anticipated. When those anticipated profits become losses then a new agreement regardless of the distribution percentages does not become a significant deviation from prior practice.
The bottom line is a business has a right to expect a profit. Both parties have filed that the other side has failed to bargain in good faith. This is really because they disagree on what the break even point is for a given team. Owners remain in the driver seat because they are using standard and allowable accounting practices regardless of whether you or agree or disagree with the loopholes.
The following website has a nice FAQ in regards to labor negotiations.
http://www.nounionsellout.com/coll-barg
My points are:
1. Only the Players association and the Owners/league know the actual $ numbers. We can guess and use filings and what financial reports are out there to try to get an understanding, but they will never release all the profit/loss numbers. Plus, I am sure each owner has their own accountants and submit reports to the league and the league has their own accountants. Anyone who has ever taken accounting classes knows that they can be made to appear to say anything you want. Granted, another good accountant should be able to see through those numbers, but when they are buried 2 or three levels deep, it definitely gives the owners extra leverage and time to work the numbers.
2.This is the League versus the players. Not individual owners versus their players. You have to combine the profits of the successful franchises with the losses of the lesser businesses to get a true understanding of the financial standing of the league. Just because some franchises make foolish signings and/or deals and blow their budgets and drag the whole league down doesn't mean the players should have to take a cut in pay.
I am used to dealing with 18-20 dollar an hour mechanics not 18-20 million dollar a year ball players, but I'm sure their mentalities are close to the same. You talk about cutting ANYBODY'S pay 20-30% and you're gonna have a fight on your hands.
FYI: regardless I do believe the majority of players are WAY overpaid. But players don't write contracts, if somebody wants to pay them too much that's their choice.
One more thing: I am really worried about SA's future in the NBA. If we have a really restrictive cap it will make it harder for small market team to retain multiple stars. They'll take a little less money in LA or NY and pull in the super-team endorsements to make up the difference.
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