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I heard some intresting analysis on these two recievers this morning on Mike and Mike. And the question was thrown out, "Who is the better of the two?"
You can vote on it however you want...you can vote for who you think was the better WR or you can vote which one you would rather have on your team. Pick which one you want...I just throw out the question,
Randy or T.O.???
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Moss
Not really...not much on at 5 a.m. when I wake up to go to work.
tough one... but I would probably take Moss, because he is one of the deadliest scoring threats the NFL has ever seen, as he is just a TD waiting to happen.
But there are definitely some nice things TO brings to the table with his work ethic, and great all-around play. He is without a doubt, a more complete football player than Moss ever tried to be.
What's frustrating about this, is that this shouldn't even be much of a debate. If Moss had half the work ethic of TO or Jerry Rice, he would be without question, the best WR ever, and probably the most unstoppable individual football player the NFL has ever seen.
Moss
Wish he would've went to GB with him and the ol gunslinger in their primes together.
Agreed...
Tough call but it's gotta be moss
Moss and it's not even close for me. Moss spent a decade with opposing defenses ting their pants every time he lined up. TO is a very, very nice receiver but he doesn't come close to having Moss' your pants intimidation. Defenses could gameplan TO, there was no gameplan for Randy Moss in his prime. Jerry Rice is the GOAT but as far as striking fear in the heart of the other defense, nobody has done that like Randy Moss.
As far as their substantial negatives they brought to the table, I'd still rather Moss. Moss quit on teams, TO destroyed them.
I don't know what you're talking about here. I really don't get where you or det other guy we know get off thinking Randy Moss has no work ethic. Randy Moss had a tremendous work ethic. He learned it from Cris Carter and there's no indication he ever stopped working. His offseason workout program was one that most other receivers in the NFL could never complete. He worked constantly, and he also put in the bookwork time too - he knew the playbooks inside and out (at least in New England he did).
I think you're mistaking work ethic with (1) having zero focus when it comes to team goals, and (2) a dislike for taking hits, which is why he'd insist on running go routes nonstop at times.
If Randy Moss could have ever been convinced to go over the middle more than a handful of times a game, he could have been the GOAT easily because nobody is stopping him from making those tough catches except himself. Although maybe the reason he stayed so healthy for so long in the league is because of his unwillingness to go over the middle.
people who think Moss has no work ethic:
"I want a superbowl ring"
ha, ha
What's also underrated is how intelligent Moss is. I was watching highlights of the 2007 season yesterday when his retirement was announced, and he had tons of deep catches where Tom Brady threw a terrible deep ball and Moss had to spot the ball and adjust his route so he can be in the right place, then make a circus catch over DBs who had time to catch up to an underthrown pass. Did Brady resurrect Moss? Yes to a certain extent, but it's not like Tom Brady has any history at all of succeeding with deep threat receivers.
"I didn't shoot that guy and hide the gun at my carwash"
ha, ha
Last I checked, he caught a go-ahead TD in the superbowl with 2 minutes left. Maybe if Moss trained harder Roidney wouldn't have let David Tyree catch a ball with his helmet.
tbh yeah look at most all of the big highlights from that year and it was usually Moss adjusting to an underthrown pass. LOL there's even one where Jabar Gaffney had to come to a stop to catch a deep ball it was so badly underthrown.
And tbh this was a pretty impossible pass, but again notice that Moss has to ING SLOW DOWN and that causes the pass to get broken up. If Brady woulda been able to put anything more on it,
That one I'd forgive Brady for since it was a really in long pass, but yeah, even when the Giants were in ultra-prevent mode, Moss still found a way to get a step on the defense.
He put 70 yds on it, what else do you want? How many balls like that has Moss come down with over his career.
Was this the point you started to consider Brady a past his prime, non elite QB?
And god damn I forgot how much of an egg the O-line laid in that game. Even on that last drive when the Giants were only rushing 3-4 guys, they still have to roll Tom Brady out and he still has to buy time to cleanly get the throw off.
In hind-site, Tom Brady hasn't been the same QB since the Jacksonville 2007 playoff game. That was his last playoff game where he wasn't a liability to his team.
I don't know what these two guys are talking about there is like reels and reels of footage of Moss dogging it on the field and giving up on routes. Along with opponents saying he quit on plays etc.
Guy has even ing admitted it tbh
Having a good work ethic and being a whiny quitter aren't mutually exclusive. Kobe Bryant has one of the most notorious game 7 quitting performances of all time under his belt, and I don't see anyone question the fact he busts his ass off the court.
If he dogs it on routes where he's not the primary option and plays at half speed a lot of the time then he has a poor work ethic to me. He also didn't just quit for a fourth quarter here or there he quit for entire seasons like with the Raiders. And quitting is one word being lazy and having poor work ethic is another. He had like maybe 3-4 seasons where he went all out for almost every play and he destroyed it in every one of those seasons. Reasonable to assume if he had always played hard he would have way better numbers.
Since Kobe quit in the 2006 first round he has a bad work ethic?
Since Tim Duncan quit in the 2004 Olympics he has a bad work ethic?
Randy Moss, just like those two, has never quit out of laziness, he's quit because he wants to embarrass his teammates/coach/etc. Just like Kobe in 2006, he didn't quit because he's lazy, he quit because he's a narcissist who thinks quitting and showing his coaches/teammates up is the best way to help his team win. When Randy Moss was on winning teams, he didn't quit on routes or play half assed.
T.O. is the same way. He's quit on his teams and even caused them to implode, but look at the in shape he and Moss are in at their age. Do you think someone with a "bad work ethic" comes into training camp every in year in game-ready shape? A bad work ethic isn't the same thing as a bad at ude.
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