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    As a group, they deserve the salary of bank tellers. They are the biggest ups in this country and are at fault.

    And don't blame the parents. the school is in control of that child during his formative years and holds him for more than half of the day under it's supervision.

    This is what you public ed ers don't understand, you can't say on one hand that parents are responsible for the poor education when you've already doing that part for them by force, by the govt's muzzle of a gun, and then have this solipsist point of view to where a teacher's performance can never be objectively measured. "i'm a good teacher, why?? i don't know? does anybody know? ah the wind blows and therefore i must follow, tis to be a dandellion spore!"

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    Apple, meet oranges.
    Yeah, teachers wanting to have engineering salaries. i agree.

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    Ignignokt was raped by a public school teacher (male). Please excuse his visceral nonsense.

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    Ignignokt was raped by a public school teacher (male). Please excuse his visceral nonsense.
    DMX7 was raped by ignignokt, Please excuse his stockholm syndrome obssesion with me.

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    "teachers love teaching that's why they work as teachers"

    There are many great, great teachers and better people that work as teachers.... But...


    Yeah... No one has ever taken that job because they get 3 months off...

    Tenure for non PHD's is stupid. Sub college teachers are regurgitators of information, not discoverers of it. If they want tenure they should move on to the next level.

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    "teachers love teaching that's why they work as teachers"

    There are many great, great teachers and better people that work as teachers.... But...


    Yeah... No one has ever taken that job because they get 3 months off...
    Tenure for non PHD's is stupid. Sub college teachers are regurgitators of information, not discoverers of it. If they want tenure they should move on to the next level.
    These are likely the ones that quit when they realize the amount of work. I have read (somewhere) that the average career span of a teacher is 5 years.

    Oh, and I would really like to hear an explanation from a person who has a pro-high-school-tenure outlook as to what reasons lead them to believe in tenure. I cannot say that I am against it (yet) because I have not heard the reasons FOR it. (and I understand the reasons for it on the next level)

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    I have no problem with teachers being held accountable on the basis of how their class does after X amount of tests. However, when you tie funding to those tests is where you're going wrong. Now you have the school administrators pushing teachers to train kids to pass tests, not necessarily teach.

    It's such a bad system that encourages school officials to cheat and the states to spend more money trying to track down such cheating.

    The reality is that classrooms can vary widely year in and year out. Every kid has special needs when it comes to education. Some are brighter in some things and some are not. Some are quick learners and some are not. Teaching takes a lot of time and a lot of dedication.

    I'm sure there's everything out there. Teachers that care, teachers that don't. Good teachers don't get 3 months off. They take time to prepare their programs and improve them based on their previous experiences.

    Also, engineers make about 1/3 more than teachers on average.

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    These are likely the ones that quit when they realize the amount of work. I have read (somewhere) that the average career span of a teacher is 5 years.

    Oh, and I would really like to hear an explanation from a person who has a pro-high-school-tenure outlook as to what reasons lead them to believe in tenure. I cannot say that I am against it (yet) because I have not heard the reasons FOR it. (and I understand the reasons for it on the next level)
    that probably has alot to do with getting their loans paid off

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    that probably has alot to do with getting their loans paid off
    Yep, if it werent for that, then those who decided to be teachers for summers off, etc would probably quit a lot sooner thus lowering the avg career span significantly.

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    DMX7 was raped by ignignokt
    a dream is a wish your heart makes

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    a dream is a wish your heart makes
    Is that why you were cuckholded?

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    Teachers are overpaid.
    You could say that about 99% of all government employees.

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    The best part is that now virtually every public school has a day where class either starts 90 minutes late or ends 90 minutes early so the teachers can have a 60-75 minute staff meeting without working longer. They look ridiculous complaining about their salaries when they do backflips to make sure they have to work as little as possible outside of the 8-3 school day.

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    You could say that about 99% of all government employees.
    Are our troops overpaid?

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    These are likely the ones that quit when they realize the amount of work. I have read (somewhere) that the average career span of a teacher is 5 years.
    The amount of work isn't what makes them quit. You have to remember that most K-12 teachers are women, many of whom do not have the goal of having a long career. I have 5 relatives who are teachers, all female. Two of them are dedicated to their profession (one for over 30 yrs) and I've never heard them complain about teaching other than occasional remarks on ridiculous policies. The others main goal in life has always been to be stay at home moms and they have always ed and moaned about teaching. One has already gotten married had a kid and quit work, another just got married to a pilot so I'm sure it won't be too long before she quits work. The last hates teaching but on top of being an idiot she is fat and ugly so she hasn't had much luck finding a husband yet.

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    Are our troops overpaid?
    Yes.

    If you're looking for military sympathy, you're talking to the wrong person.

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    An MBA.. Exec.. if his company is failing he gets booted. If a teachers classroom is doing poorly, they get celebrities defending them.
    Booted along with a golden parachute.

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    The amount of work isn't what makes them quit. You have to remember that most K-12 teachers are women, many of whom do not have the goal of having a long career. I have 5 relatives who are teachers, all female. Two of them are dedicated to their profession (one for over 30 yrs) and I've never heard them complain about teaching other than occasional remarks on ridiculous policies. The others main goal in life has always been to be stay at home moms and they have always ed and moaned about teaching. One has already gotten married had a kid and quit work, another just got married to a pilot so I'm sure it won't be too long before she quits work. The last hates teaching but on top of being an idiot she is fat and ugly so she hasn't had much luck finding a husband yet.
    I am sure that the immense amount of work isn't helping. Also, what are these women doing when they are no longer stay at home moms. If teaching was such a great paying and relaxing gig, you would think they would go back to it.

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    The best part is that now virtually every public school has a day where class either starts 90 minutes late or ends 90 minutes early so the teachers can have a 60-75 minute staff meeting without working longer.
    I haven't heard about that one.

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    I never knew "regular people" fly overnight from Vancouver to DC(approx 2897 miles)
    Last edited by Viva Las Espuelas; 08-04-2011 at 09:20 AM.

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    I never knew "regular people" fly overnight from Vancouver to DC(approx 2897 miles)
    He said he flew from Vancouver to NY, then from there to DC.

    Cathay Pacific actually has an overnight flight from Vancouver to JFK (IIRC it's the only airline with such a direct flight).

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    Is that why you were cuckholded?
    not my dream, tbh.

    I think you sharing your dream of raping a guy is lol though.

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    He said he flew from Vancouver to NY, then from there to DC.

    Cathay Pacific actually has an overnight flight from Vancouver to JFK (IIRC it's the only airline with such a direct flight).
    I'm sure" regular" people do that too.

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    As a group, they deserve the salary of bank tellers. They are the biggest ups in this country and are at fault.

    And don't blame the parents. the school is in control of that child during his formative years and holds him for more than half of the day under it's supervision.

    This is what you public ed ers don't understand, you can't say on one hand that parents are responsible for the poor education when you've already doing that part for them by force, by the govt's muzzle of a gun, and then have this solipsist point of view to where a teacher's performance can never be objectively measured. "i'm a good teacher, why?? i don't know? does anybody know? ah the wind blows and therefore i must follow, tis to be a dandellion spore!"
    You really can't blame the teachers - they don't actually have much say in what they can or can't teach. Like everybody else with bosses, they are handed their objectives by the higher-ups and risk losing their jobs if they stray from the approved curriculum.

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    I'm sure "regular" people do that too.
    I thought you didn't think it was possible. nvm

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