LMAO Texas bible thumpers

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

And the reason America is no longer the manufacturing capital of the world is because of deregulations that allowed companies to ship production to other countries (which was just as much Clinton as it was Reagan).

There's no real solution to America's economic problems when we import WAY more than we export.

[Ignignokt]

Wrong. American car companies have no innovation and have gotten clobbered by Japanese car companies in sales, but because Republicans are so concerned with keeping the rich "wealthy and stable", they get their losses subsidized and get bailed out when they're on the verge of bankruptcy.

Wow, where do i begin. First of all, trade protectionism is apparent in both parties. The obama administration bailed out GM.

Republicans are not necessarily free market principled either, and you're demonization of the rich is ridiculous.

In the nineteenth century we had the largest increase percentage wise of poor moving to the middle class, and middle class to rich. That was an era of smaller govt and regulation.

Ofcourse, you're going to point out a propaganda book like the Urban jungle that misrepresents the Meat packing industry issue of that time. (the meat packing industry actually lobbied for the regulation Sinclair was proposing so that the regional buisinesses in the midwest would edge out all other compe ors nation wide).. and you're prolly gonna point out the migrant workers condition in the inner cities like chicago and new york. But what you will fail to notice is that the nineteenth century was a transition from the harsh life of the agriculutural economy to the industrial one. And that life expentency grew during that time period, not declined. And that the reason why we can experiment with our bull progressive programs is because of the achievements and growth of industry of what was the largest boom period of american history.


So spare me with your free market advocacy = trade protectionism and corporate bailouts. you have no clue.

[ElNono]

I don't know whether you are using blue text to show pride for Nazirgentina, or for being sarcastic, or both.

Looking at your posts, there's a lot of things you don't know.

lol laffer curve when taxes haven't been this low since the 50's
lol trickle down economics
lol the rich laughing at you and thanking you for your service
lol Austrian school of fantasy

[Ignignokt]

Wrong. American car companies have no innovation for years and have gotten clobbered by Japanese car companies in sales, but because Republicans are so concerned with keeping the rich "wealthy and stable", they get their losses subsidized and get bailed out when they're on the verge of bankruptcy.

You lose again here.

If Gm made a car that sold for 20 grand and toyota match a car at the same price, you would then notice that the Toyota car has 2000 dollars on avg more features than the GM for the simple fact that they don't adhere to the Labor regulations that apply to Detriot, and their manufacturing bases are in the south with govts that have low income tax rates.

Govt, is the reason why GM can't lower it's prices and match Toyota, and why they can't increase in overall quality.

Toyota plays by one rule, Gm by another.

[Ignignokt]

Looking at your posts, there's a lot of things you don't know.

lol laffer curve when taxes haven't been this low since the 50's
lol trickle down economics
lol the rich laughing at you and thanking you for your service
lol Austrian school of fantasy

That's funny how the austrian school of economics can't be blamed for our credit rating downgrade, our deficit spending, dollar devaluation, but your keynesian school can.

Sucks to be a Keynesian corporatist sucker.

LOL Argentina lecturing americans on how to run an economy.

[ElNono]

That's funny how the austrian school of economics can't be blamed for our credit rating downgrade, our deficit spending, dollar devaluation, but your keynesian school can.

Beats preaching for the Austrian economics fantasy world which is the end-all, be-all solution yet no single country has or will ever implement. You'll probably die a very bitter man.

LOL Argentina lecturing americans on how to run an economy.

LOL American lecturing anybody on how to run a WoW economy.

[Spursfan092120]

I think someone should link this thread to 90210 and make sure he sees it.

If he wants to pray, let him pray..why would I care? Soo...it's so wrong for religious people to look down on atheists, but it's cool for atheists to laugh at people who are religious? Nice hypocritical double standard.

[Ignignokt]

El nono, also i already mentioned that the 50's was an era of high marginal tax rates in my earlier posts, i don't know how that discredits the laffer curve, you've must have been asleep during macro.

anyway, if i want to argue with a stupid latin american i'll go talk to some asswipe at Home depot and argue soccer.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Wow, where do i begin. First of all, trade protectionism is apparent in both parties. The obama administration bailed out GM.

Bush began the process, Obama finished it.

Republicans are not necessarily free market principled either, and you're demonization of the rich is ridiculous.

I'm not demonizing the rich. I'm a lot richer than you will ever be.

In the nineteenth century we had the largest increase percentage wise of poor moving to the middle class, and middle class to rich. That was an era of smaller govt and regulation.

yeah, 11 year old kids working 15 hours a day and getting their hands chopped off was a great time in America!

(the meat packing industry actually lobbied for the regulation Sinclair was proposing so that the regional buisinesses in the midwest would edge out all other compe ors nation wide).. and you're prolly gonna point out the migrant workers condition in the inner cities like chicago and new york. But what you will fail to notice is that the nineteenth century was a transition from the harsh life of the agriculutural economy to the industrial one. And that life expentency grew during that time period, not declined. And that the reason why we can experiment with our bull progressive programs is because of the achievements and growth of industry of what was the largest boom period of american history.

So what you're saying is the best ways for rapid growth are inhumane conditions where owners can exploit cheap labor and produce a bunch for a cheap price?

[Ignignokt]

Beats preaching for the Austrian economics fantasy world which is the end-all, be-all solution yet no single country has or will ever implement. You'll probably die a very bitter man.



LOL American lecturing anybody on how to run a WoW economy.

It's hard to understand your critique of austrian economics when Hayek has a noble peace prize, and Keynesian thinkers are bringing us to the edge of a long deep recession possible depression.

You have no room.

LOL Argentina would upgrade it's economy if it even followed the trash of american keynesian thought.

lol hole

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

If he wants to pray, let him pray..why would I care? Soo...it's so wrong for religious people to look down on atheists, but it's cool for atheists to laugh at people who are religious? Nice hypocritical double standard.

Athiets don't advocate passing laws that restrict the rights of religious people, while religious people want certain things passed that make certain parts of the bible law in this country.

If religious people want to laugh at me, they can go right ahead.

[ElNono]

El nono, also i already mentioned that the 50's was an era of high marginal tax rates in my earlier posts, i don't know how that discredits the laffer curve, you've must have been asleep during macro.

I don't think the laffer curve concept is erroneous at all, but I've heard idiots here (not necessarily you) that argue we're to the right of the peak, which is re ed seeing we had higher revenues with with higher taxes prior to the last few tax cuts and exceptions.

anyway, if i want to argue with a stupid latin american i'll go talk to some asswipe at Home depot and argue soccer.

Or you could go to Austria and find out why nobody wants to use their economic tenets... crofl

[Ignignokt]

So what you're saying is the best ways for rapid growth are inhumane conditions where owners can exploit cheap labor and produce a bunch for a cheap price?

All cheap recycled jew banter aside...

The families who moved in from the country to the city had their children working the field. For a short while at that time society saw no problem for child labor since children already were being used for labor prior to the industrial age for farming and agriculture. But because of the RISE of living standards of all the participants of that era, the market allowed for people to put their kids in school, instead of putting them in the factory because it was a more worthwhile venture. People were already voluntarily prohibiting their children from working because of the rise of living standards before we had the progressive movement pass arbitrary child laws which aren't an objective measure of who can and can't labor.

You're to ignorant of history to understand that 19th Century Capitalism allowed for the change of thought concerning child labor because of rising living standards, and that that period was a transitionary period from the harsh realities of agricultural societies to a vastly improving industrial society. The birth rate was exponentially better during the industrial age and we as americans and europe as a whole witnessed the biggest population explosion in the world.

Meanwhile, now that the 19th century industrial achievements has allowed us to coast on them and pass stifling regulation, we are experiencing the latter... A DECLINE in the standards of living.


19th century Captilism Improved the Living standards of the Indurstrialized World.

20th century Progressivism is slowly declining them.


You're on the losing side.


And lol, less regulations would force children to labor under the gun.

[Ignignokt]

Or you could go to Austria and find out why nobody wants to use their economic tenets... crofl

LOL nope, those fools are using central planning and are part of the collapsing EU. crofl

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Child labor in agriculture doesn't justify child labor in industrialism.

And yeah, in the 19th century, when there stuff like indentured servitude and cheap labor, the world grew and modernized at a much more rapid rate.

I'm curious, why in the last 30 years when we've had tons of deregulations and have shifted more towards a free market, has America's economy crashed?

[ElNono]

It's hard to understand your critique of austrian economics when Hayek has a noble peace prize, and Keynesian thinkers are bringing us to the edge of a long deep recession possible depression.

You have no room.

I already stated my critique in the other thread. There's plenty Nobel laureates on the Keynes side too, I don't think that makes their economic theories any more convincing, tbh.

That said, why is it that nobody is picking up on this magical economic mantra that's been preached for decades and it's supposed to solve it all? I mean, no takers at all? Why do you think that is?

[ElNono]

LOL nope, those fools are using central planning and are part of the collapsing EU. crofl

Why aren't they listening to their homemade, solve it all gurus?

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Hayek has a noble peace prize

so does Obama

[Spursfan092120]

Athiets don't advocate passing laws that restrict the rights of religious people, while religious people want certain things passed that make certain parts of the bible law in this country.

If religious people want to laugh at me, they can go right ahead.

Go tell that to the people who aren't allowed to pray in schools anymore...or the people who are made to feel uncomfortable praying in public when they feel the need to. Do I really need to post all the articles of atheists trying to take away religious people's rights? Like the ones who sued to try to stop Rick Perry from participating in a prayer rally? Or the student that sued his school and city for having a prayer banner in the school's auditorium? Or the atheists who sued to try to prevent a prayer cross at Ground Zero? Maybe they don't try to pass laws to restrict rights of religious people, but they'll sure fight and sue when bills are passed to give religious people those rights.

[ElNono]

Child labor in agriculture doesn't justify child labor in industrialism.

And yeah, in the 19th century, when there stuff like indentured servitude and cheap labor, the world grew and modernized at a much more rapid rate.

I'm curious, why in the last 30 years when we've had tons of deregulations and have shifted more towards a free market, has America's economy crashed?

People forget it also gets harder and harder to make major innovations. There's not going to be another Industrial revolution out there that's going to turn economies upside down anymore. That just ain't happening.

[Ignignokt]

so does Obama

nobel peace prize for economics>>> nobel peace prize for being bi racial.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Go tell that to the people who aren't allowed to pray in schools anymore...or the people who are made to feel uncomfortable praying in public when they feel the need to. Do I really need to post all the articles of atheists trying to take away religious people's rights? Like the ones who sued to try to stop Rick Perry from participating in a prayer rally? Or the student that sued his school and city for having a prayer banner in the school's auditorium? Or the atheists who sued to try to prevent a prayer cross at Ground Zero? Maybe they don't try to pass laws to restrict rights of religious people, but they'll sure fight and sue when bills are passed to give religious people those rights.

Separation of Church and State dumb . If you want a country where the government makes laws catering to a certain religion, convert to Islam and move to the middle east.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

nobel peace prize for economics>>> nobel peace prize for being bi racial.

Didn't know you were the one who defined what people won the nobel peace prize for

[ElNono]

Go tell that to the people who aren't allowed to pray in schools anymore...or the people who are made to feel uncomfortable praying in public when they feel the need to. Do I really need to post all the articles of atheists trying to take away religious people's rights? Like the ones who sued to try to stop Rick Perry from participating in a prayer rally? Or the student that sued his school and city for having a prayer banner in the school's auditorium? Or the atheists who sued to try to prevent a prayer cross at Ground Zero? Maybe they don't try to pass laws to restrict rights of religious people, but they'll sure fight and sue when bills are passed to give religious people those rights.

You don't need any bills to grant any rights. Religious freedom (including the freedom to practice) is already a right on the Cons ution. If somebody is passing bills (for or against religion) then I'll say there's some funny business there.

And BTW, everyone also has a right to have their day in court. There's nothing illegal about suing. Winning the case is a different story altogether.

[Spursfan092120]

Separation of Church and State dumb . If you want a country where the government makes laws catering to a certain religion, convert to Islam and move to the middle east.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to pe ion the Government for a redress of grievances."

It's saying they can't pick a religion, or prevent someone from worshipping how they want to. Says nothing about no prayer in school..nothing about no Christmas displays. No one's asking the government to cater to a religion...no one's being forced to pray in school. No one's being forced to do anything when it comes to religion. But they're not allowing the kids who want to pray to do so.