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if you live in or around Boston, certainly true
DoK, you are done with Sarver, not the team. That is ok. The second you say "I'm done with the Suns", you're out.
My take was not generic, it was the truth. If it's ok to bail on the team when things are bad and celebrate when they are good, then the term "bandwagon" would not exist. There is a reason it does and a reason it has a negative connotation.
You know what I meant when I said denounce, so don't play dumb. Saying a team played like a bunch of gutless maggots is ok if it's true and that isn't what I'm talking about. Saying "f this team, I'm done with them" is a different story altogether and is not ok.
if you live in or around Boston, certainly true
IMVHO, if you quit on a team, you don't get to celebrate when they win. Period. That doesn't mean you can't dog them when they play like crap, but if you quit, truly quit i.e. "I'm done with this franchise", you don't get to enjoy a single second of when it's good.
If I say, "I'm done with the Suns till Sarver sells them" does that mean I'm out in your book, because that's effectively what I'm doing. I watched the first 30 or so games because I wanted to give the team a chance since I thought they deserved it, but I said to myself I'm done improving their TV ratings by watching or improving their ticket sales by going to any Suns games until Sarver sells the team.
That would be like Lebron's daddy wearing a "King James" shirt...
I don't blame you at all, DoK..one of the worst ing owners ever. Even throughout the rivalry, I wanted to see Phoenix succeed...Nash deserves a ring...he'll never get one.
There's nothing wrong with that. It's when you return after the ring and pretend you were there the whole time and try to sneak into the fray, that's when it could cause an ethical person to raise an internal eyebrow.
The most amazing part is how many chances Sarver had to redeem himself. Even after ALL the cost cutting moves from 2004-2009, through luck/good moves by Kerr/other things, Sarver was blessed with a 2010 team that had maybe the best combination of youth, size, and experience any Suns team had during the Nash era. All Sarver had to do to keep that going was resign Kerr and resign Amare, but he managed to that up.
No one deserves a ring. Nash had free agency like everyone else and chose to stay.
Soccer mom mentality go wild.
Assuming the Suns even make it through the Sarver era and are still in Phoenix when there is a new owner, I'd support them even if they're in 15-20 territory and have little to no future.
I agree, for the most part...but I won't fault somebody for saying it in the heat of the moment. For example, a number of Mav fans here pretty much said "f this team, I'm done with them" after the epic collapse in Portland. Do you really think any of them stopped watching or rooting for Dallas b/c of it?
It was a knee-jerk reaction to an occurrence they were all-to-familiar with: Dallas finding inexplicable ways to choke away playoff games.
I denounce (and use whatever definition of this word you choose) the Buffalo Bills by Week 4 EVERY ING YEAR, but I never really stop watching them or root for another team. It's the highs and lows of being a sports fan, but I've definitely become more detached as I've gotten older.
Yeah, but fan with a higher BB IQ knows what he's looking at, and won't bolt on a whim. I knew early on this year when TC joined that Dallas was going to be a hard kill. Others jumped ship because of it.
I haven't seen anyone post yet who I think jumped ship, except the professional ship jumper who no one gives a about anyhow.
That's fine, but public denouncement should not lead to public celebration when your team wins, unless you have made amends for your desertion.
Like before, that all depends on the situation and the type of denouncement. This isn't a black and white issue. If you publicly said on this forum, " this team, i quit," then yeah...you should take for it if you don't come clean about it when they win.
But once again, denouncing them and celebrating them winning doesn't make them lesser fans--that's what a team will put you through. That being said, make the ones who were wrong eat their crow.
At the same time, those who were sunshining, top o' the mornin' to ya happy-go-lucky, team-can-do-no-wrong asshats need to be called on their too when the team loses.
It's a two-way street.
This is being a fan, and that is ok. You still watch and root for them, even though they kill you. I'm not talking about the ones who do what you described. Naturally your interest will wane the longer the drought lasts especially if there are a lot of bad moves along the way.
What I'm talking about is the true band-wagoners. The ones that repeatedly quit and mean it. The one's that reject everything and give up and stop caring at all. Then when their team surprises (a la Dallas this year), try and act like everything is all good.
That's why we have the terms "homer" and "band-wagoner"
I agree completely, and not to sound like a but I probably see those people more than anyone...I live in ing Miami--these people don't give a about sports until there in the playoffs. They could maybe name 5 players on the Heat if they thought really hard.
That being said, it's hard to prove who on ST fits those parameters you laid out, especially if they're still posting.
I agree, but I was more wanting to know about the internal struggle some of these "winners" are facing, knowing they lost some face and don't really belong with the rest of the fans. Do you think it's just a lack of self worth and ethics that allows them to be apathetic to their own internal compass?
Methinks you're looking into this a little too philosophically. If they have no problem eating their crow when they're wrong, then there's no issue. If they deny ever doubting the team when the evidence says they clearly were--then yes, you could call them ethically bankrupt, imho.
What if you choose a team to win it all and they don't even make the playoffs?
Then you're a Cowboys fan.
Or you're a Lakers fan making a prediction about a team located in Phoenix.
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