the Black man and the art of bandwagoning

[pass1st]

Chris Quinn had his prime wasted as well. You know what? Nash had his prime wasted because he wasn't what was needed to win championships. It's the same reason Chris Paul is having his prime wasted, and why all these guys who get franchise money for being a PG are having their primes wasted. He's lucky to have seen any awards at all. J-Kidd with the cast that Nash had, add a decent coach who realizes there's a 24 second shot clock for a reason, and the Suns would have been borderline impossible to stop.

A lot of people have had their primes wasted, and I'm sorry for most of them. I like to believe that it's not all the player's part, but just how the pieces fall together. A pattern that I noticed for a long time is that a team that was built around a PG tends to fail with a few exceptions. I feel sorry for Nash because he's a piece, not the board; he should have been there to compliment a player that's the focus of a team. I believe it had to be a player that's different to Amare.

[dirk4mvp]

No ing way. You've talked out of both sides of your mouth toward me. One minute you're kissing my balloon knot, slathering all over it, gently blowing warm breath on it, making it moist & gooey and loosey & goosey. But I digress. The next, you're calling me everything but a white man. I demand satisfaction. I'll have your apology on my desk, or you can go pound salt.

And that is just the way it's goona be.

Now,

Let us proceed...

You ain't gettin until you explain your re ed opinion about the Suns winning the west.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

You're en led to your own penchant conjecture.

It's not conjecture. Nash quit to get Porter fired and get Shaq traded. He's all but admitted doing such. It's OK, Kobe quit to light a fire under the Lakers' F.O. and trade for Gasol. In the NBA, quitting is the best way to get what you want.

[Giuseppe]

^Duncan, gettin' his fart catcher on.

lmemulatedao!!!

[Giuseppe]

You ain't gettin until you explain your re ed opinion about the Suns winning the west.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

^Duncan, gettin' his fart catcher on.

lmemulatedao!!!

I'm not emulating . I've never been afraid to shout Nash quit just as loud as you shout it. Nash quitting in 2009 isn't your opinion, it's more or less fact.

[pass1st]

It's not conjecture. Nash quit to get Porter fired and get Shaq traded. He's all but admitted doing such. It's OK, Kobe quit to light a fire under the Lakers' F.O. and trade for Gasol. In the NBA, quitting is the best way to get what you want.

How many games was that out of 1000+ and how does it effect the relative notion of putting on consistent effort?

[DMC]

A lot of people have had their primes wasted, and I'm sorry for most of them. I like to believe that it's not all the player's part, but just how the pieces fall together. A pattern that I noticed for a long time is that a team that was built around a PG tends to fail with a few exceptions. I feel sorry for Nash because he's a piece, not the board; he should have been there to compliment a player that's the focus of a team. I believe it had to be a player that's different to Amare.

Look at Robert Horry's career. There's a guy who knew what chasing a ring meant, and he did it as well if not better than anyone in history.

You either play for money, for the fans or for the ring. Nash should have known when Dallas let him go that he was not seen as a championship level player at his position with his complete lack of defensive skills. Sure he can put on a show, shoot the ball and drive and dish with the best, but he's always been a liability and every other team in the league knew it. Nash knew it. He chose the money and the local venue. He could have gone elsewhere for league minimum and would likely have won a ring like Payton did, like Finley did, like Kidd did, like KG did, like Ray Allen did, but no, so him. He gets what he wanted.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

How many games was that out of 1000+ and how does it effect the relative notion of putting on consistent effort?

It was easily 40+ games during the 2009 season.

I'd also challenge the notion he put in a consistent effort. I think he had plenty of nights where he half assed it on a certain end of the court.

[dirk4mvp]

lmcontrollinao!!!

The only thing you control is your ability to post awful basketball takes.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Look at Robert Horry's career. There's a guy who knew what chasing a ring meant, and he did it as well if not better than anyone in history.

You either play for money, for the fans or for the ring. Nash should have known when Dallas let him go that he was not seen as a championship level player at his position with his complete lack of defensive skills. Sure he can put on a show, shoot the ball and drive and dish with the best, but he's always been a liability and every other team in the league knew it. Nash knew it. He chose the money and the local venue. He could have gone elsewhere for league minimum and would likely have won a ring like Payton did, like Finley did, like Kidd did, like KG did, like Ray Allen did, but no, so him. He gets what he wanted.

This.

Nash signed an extension in the 2009 off season worth $22,000,000. He chose financial security over the ability to chose a team when his contract expired after the 2010 season. He got exactly what he chose. An 8 figure salary on a non-contender.

[pass1st]

It was easily 40+ games during the 2009 season.

I'd also challenge the notion he put in a consistent effort. I think he had plenty of nights where he half assed it on a certain end of the court.

Never said he was a good defender, but then again I said effort in a relative sense. Most star players are told not to put too much effort on defense, especially if they aren't very athletic and would gas quickly in 4 quarters of play.

[Giuseppe]

I'm not emulating . I've never been afraid to shout Nash quit just as loud as you shout it. Nash quitting in 2009 isn't your opinion, it's more or less fact.

I struck the templatePERIOD

[Giuseppe]

The only thing you control is your ability to post awful basketball takes.

lmcontrollinao!!!

[Giuseppe]

You either play for money, for the fans or for the ring. Nash should have known when Dallas let him go that he was not seen as a championship level player at his position with his complete lack of defensive skills. Sure he can put on a show, shoot the ball and drive and dish with the best, but he's always been a liability and every other team in the league knew it. Nash knew it. He chose the money and the local venue. He could have gone elsewhere for league minimum and would likely have won a ring like Payton did, like Finley did, like Kidd did, like KG did, like Ray Allen did, but no, so him. He gets what he wanted.

The goods|||comprehensive style.

[dirk4mvp]

I think my posts are interesting!

[Giuseppe]

^Yet you used to literally beg me to IM with you. I almost thought you were trying to lure and seduce me. And I almost didn't mind.

[dirk4mvp]

I know how to use the internet!

[Stalin]

Picking a team to come out of the west, and they don't even make the playoffs, is a pretty bad prediction, tbh.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Sup Stalin

I know you didn't care for Jews much, but thanks for ending the Holocaust tbh

[Stalin]

I skull ed those nazis good, tbh.