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He was negotiating. In the end the republicans decided it was more important to preserve tax breaks than to address en lements.
I didn't say the republicans were any better.
He was negotiating. In the end the republicans decided it was more important to preserve tax breaks than to address en lements.
Bachmann 2012!
I want a Bachmann/Palin GOP ticket. That would be awesome!
(for Democrats)
Barring that, I would settle for Perry/Bachmann. Another awesome ticket.
(for Democrats)
We will be served, yet again, a choice between a sandwich and a giant bag.
The only question is what flavor the GOP sandwich is gonig to end up being.
Pretty much. It was a punt, and a nod to the power of the Norquistian straightjacket.
"The ship is sinking"
"Well, I signed a pledge not to fix holes, so we will have to keep from sinking by bailing harder!"
actually he also mentioned increasing the reitrement age to 67.
ignorant ass
Actually, he never said it publicly. Anonymous "sources" said he said it.
ignorant ass.
Not only were you lying, you were wrong..nice job
Provide a direct quote, .
You can't.
ignorant ass.
*crickets*
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...hening-economy
Raising the age to 67 and other similar changes to reduce the long term liability have been commonly and repeatedly discussed and was certainly presented to him as an option by his advisors.
Given some of his remarks directly seem to speak to that it would not seem all to unreasonable that he put it out there as a possibility he would be willing to accept "cuts I wouldn’t make under normal cir stances."
That was what I could find quickly, without an extensive search.
You are correct. He never said it in public.
so you did know about it liar...
Relevant quotes:
September 6, 2008, Speech to the AARP Convention, C-SPAN
"[John McCain's] campaign has...suggest[ed] that the best answer to the growing pressures on Social Security might be to cut cost-of-living adjustments or raise the retirement age. I will not do either."
October 30, 2007, Democratic Debate and Drexel University [PDF]
“Social Security is not in crisis; it is a fundamentally sound system… The best idea is to lift the cap on the payroll tax, potentially exempting middle-class folks, but making sure that the wealthy are paying more of their fair share, a little bit more.”
September 6, 2007, Democratic Debate at Dartmouth College
Obama: I think that lifting the cap is probably going to be the best option. … My personal view is that lifting the cap is much preferable to the other options that are available.
September 21, 2007, Op-ed in Quad City Times, Iowa
"I do not want to cut benefits or raise the retirement age. I believe there are a number of ways we can make Social Security solvent that do not involve placing these added burdens on our seniors."
November 11, 2007, Meet the Press Interview
“I said I will convene a meeting as president where we discuss all of the options that are available. I believe that cutting benefits is not the right answer; and that raising the retirement age is not the best option, particularly when we’ve got people who are still in manufacturing. … I think that the best way to approach this is to adjust the cap on the payroll tax so that people like myself are paying a little bit more and the people who are in need are protected. That is the option that I will be pushing forward.”
April 6, 2008, Philadelphia Democratic Primary Debate
“What I have proposed is that we raise the cap on the payroll tax, because right now millionaires and billionaires don’t have to pay beyond $97,000 a year. Now most firefighters & teachers, they’re not making over $100,000 a year. In fact, only 6% of the population does.”
October 16, 2008, Obama Campaign Video
"The best way forward is to first look to adjust the cap on the payroll tax... What it does allow us to do is to extend the life of Social Security without cutting benefits or raising the retirement age."
How ing stupid can you be. If Obama said he would raise the retirement age then provide a direct quote or video or STFU.
You can't because it doesn't exist.
Doesn't sound like a guy who is trying to duck the problem, IMO.
He is in trouble with a lot in his own party because he has proposed just such changes.
"Anonymous sources" they may be, but they do not say anything that appears contradicted by what the man *has* said.
Can I find an exact quote? No.
Does it conflict with what he has said? No.
Not directly confirmed, but not outside the pale. Make of that what you will.
You won't even be able to find a direct quote from someone else (like press secretary Carney) who even SAYS he said it.
I expected President Obama to over Candidate Obama somewhat, and took a lot of that for
I think a rather inexperienced guy said a lot of pretty things, and once he got into the White House, the people who actually know most about this gave him MUCH better information than he probably had access to as a candidate.
Still, it is galling to me just how much he has gone back on. I don't think he has tried very hard at all, Health Care Reform aside, to advance a "liberal" agenda, vacuous Fox "news" blathering notwithstanding.
I'm just the messenger
Nope. He wants to be re-elected.
You would be hard pressed to find a Republican in Congress saying anything similar, although we all know it has to be done at some point.
Paul Ryan certainly got flamed for suggesting it.
Still, I find it amusing how the media has perpetuated the myth that Obama put the retirement age in play in the inteest of being "fair and balanced" so well that you guys actually believed he said it.
Paul Ryan said a lot of things... much like Barry...
The other problem Barry has if he does raise it is breaking yet another campaign promise. I would actually like to see him come through with raising the cap, but that ain't happening either.
An Obama/Biden ticket would be another disaster
(for Americans)
I watched it too and thought it was quite entertaining. I thought Cain did very well but agree that he still won't gain any traction from it. Bachman opened with a mistake by starting off with her tired "Obama will be a one term president" line immediately after Bret Baier had asked them to speak from the heart and not use rehearsed campaign lines. She was bailed out in the debate by Pawlenty's relentless and ineffective attacks. Pawlenty hurt himself badly. Romney looked to be playing in a higher league and it was interesting that no one really tried to challenge him.Didn't see a thread but I watched it. Bachman did pretty well against the attacks from Pawlenty although her touting her "light bulb" bill wasn't a great idea. Romney was solid and Newt was fired up. Huntsman looked out of place and unprepared. Ron Paul was....well Ron Paul. Cain did okay but won't much more support. Santorum was pleading for some air time and then had the gall to say that Iran suppresses gay rights.
Rick Perry even got some airtime and he wasn't even there.
Romney is still clearly the front-runner until Perry officially throws his ten gallon hat in the ring.
Newt attacking Fox News for gotcha questions was pretty funny but Santorum going after Paul on Iran was the most entertaining part of the debate.
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