Top 10 Players of ALL-Time

[namlook]

I've always felt that the Lakers won despite having Kobe, not because of him.

This is a troll. No one who has the intellectual ability to log on to a forum and make a post can possibly be so lacking in insight to honestly hold an opinion like this.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Yeah, Snaq without his brute strength was



well, nothing


Overrated POS

that's some really ed logic. I wasn't aware when comparing someone to all time greats, you use the player he'd be if he didn't have any strength.

[dirk4mvp]

If Duncan didn't have great fundamentals, he would totally suck!

[lefty]

If Duncan didn't have great fundamentals, he would totally suck!

[pass1st]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kareem
Russel
Shaq
Kobe/Duncan
Duncan/Kobe
Erving

Toss up between Kobe and Duncan, both produced. Kobe is a better individual player, but Duncan brings it all together better. Depends how you define best.

Honorable mentions -

Isiah, Barkley, Pippen, Pistol Pete, AI, Pet , Garnett, Mikan, West, Stockton, Malone, Nash, Ewing, McHale, Parish, Luke Walton and Adam Morrison.

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

Jordan
Magic
Bird
Hakeem
Kareem
Russel
Shaq
Kobe/Duncan
Duncan/Kobe
Erving

Toss up between Kobe and Duncan, both produced. Kobe is a better individual player, but Duncan brings it all together better. Depends how you define best.

Honorable mentions -

Isiah, Barkley, Pippen, Pistol Pete, AI, Pet , Garnett, Mikan, West, Stockton, Malone, Nash, Ewing, McHale, Parish, Luke Walton and Adam Morrison.

how is kobe the better individual player? all he does is score more points with much more shot attempts. kobe at best will be #10 on the list if he doesnt get bumped by lebron.

[Deuce Bigalow]

The deal with Kobe is that he took more shots than the rest of the team combined (or close). So as Kobe's FG% goes, so goes the team. Fortunately Pau shot 60% and Fish and Odom shot well also.

I've always felt that the Lakers won despite having Kobe, not because of him. There are plenty of chuckers in the league (there were then) who could put up those numbers with that many shots. The impressive thing was how the rest of the team absorbed it.

The Lakers won because of defense, and Kobe is a pretty good defender as well, but his offense isn't nearly as good as he thinks it is. He also doesn't buy into the concept of ball movement and how the whole is greater than the sum of it's parts.

certified idiot

did you not watch the
'08 WCF,
'09 WCF,
'09 Finals,
'10 WCF,
'10 WCSF
i could on...

2008-2010 playoffs
kobe
30/6/6
30/5/6
29/6/6

gasol
17/9/4
18/11/3
20/11/4

[Deuce Bigalow]

how is kobe the better individual player? all he does is score more points with much more shot attempts. kobe at best will be #10 on the list if he doesnt get bumped by lebron.

more points, more assists, more steals, more free throws
more championships, more finals

kobe is easily top 10 alltime since 2010, he become the 4th player ever to have 5 championships and multiple finals MVPs, and became the 3rd in playoff points, and the only player to score atleast 600 points in 3 consecutive postseasons (duncan and lebron do not have 1 postseason with 600 points)

[DMC]

certified idiot

did you not watch the
'08 WCF,
'09 WCF,
'09 Finals,
'10 WCF,
'10 WCSF
i could on...

2008-2010 playoffs
kobe
30/6/6
30/5/6
29/6/6

gasol
17/9/4
18/11/3
20/11/4

I've been watching the Lakers since Magic's days.

I'm not arguing with a drive by poster.

[Deuce Bigalow]

I've been watching the Lakers since Magic's days.

I'm not arguing with a drive by poster.

watched all the playoff games during kobes time,
he carried that team, and its not even a debate, he was the best player in the game

[MR.SILVER&BLack]

more points, more assists, more steals, more free throws
more championships, more finals

kobe is easily top 10 alltime since 2010, he become the 4th player ever to have 5 championships and multiple finals MVPs, and became the 3rd in playoff points, and the only player to score atleast 600 points in 3 consecutive postseasons (duncan and lebron do not have 1 postseason with 600 points)

more points, worse fg%, way more shot attempts, dissapears in the finals. only thing im really seeing is points & TEAM achievements. lebron already has the individual achievements and lets not kid our selfs with wade they will eventually win consecutive les. like i said kobes at the end of the list.

[Deuce Bigalow]

more points, worse fg%, way more shot attempts, dissapears in the finals. only thing im really seeing is points & TEAM achievements. lebron already has the individual achievements and lets not kid our selfs with wade they will eventually win consecutive les. like i said kobes at the end of the list.

more assists, steals, free throws, almost double more finals, championship

kobe has more championships and better numbers
duncan is at the end of the list, sorry bud

disappears from the finals? wtf
fg% is your argument i bet lol
your boy duncan has failed to shoot 50% in 3/4 of his finals, whats a center/power forward doing shooting less than 50%?

[daslicer]

Kobe is the most overrated player of all time. He is great player but he isn't as great as people make him out to be. Having a career 44-45 FG percentage is crap and its pathetic that even in his prime he could never shoot above 46 percent. If you look at other great perimeter players besides MJ and you will see guys like Bird and DR J managed to shoot above 50 percent several times in there career. Impact wise Kobe sucks if you had him in his prime on a crappy team like the Bobcats its safe to say they would still be a crappy team whereas put a Duncan,Shaq,Magic,Dr J,Jabbar,Olaujuwon, and I would say the bobcats atleast become a top 4 team in their conference.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is the most overrated player of all time. He is great player but he isn't as great as people make him out to be. Having a career 44-45 FG percentage is crap and its pathetic that even in his prime he could never shoot above 46 percent. If you look at other great perimeter players besides MJ and you will see guys like Bird and DR J managed to shoot above 50 percent several times in there career. Impact wise Kobe sucks if you had him in his prime on a crappy team like the Bobcats its safe to say they would still be a crappy team whereas put a Duncan,Shaq,Magic,Dr J,Jabbar,Olaujuwon, and I would say the bobcats atleast become a top 4 team in their conference.

lol

kobe is a career .454 fg%
he takes PERIMETER SHOTS, thats a good percentage

and kobe has shot over 46% in 6 seasons

best fg% years
.469
.468
.467
.465
.464
.463

impact wise he sucks? wtf, prove that dumbass

[jacobdrj]

Yeah, Snaq without his brute strength was



well, nothing


Overrated POS

If my grandmother had wheels...

I don't care why he was higher on the list. He is higher on the list...

Let me throw another one at you:
Pippen over Moses Malone? One of the best bigmen in history. Uber-durable, post game, defense... Complete package... And you would take Pippen over him?

[Deuce Bigalow]

dr j, duncan, ect all the ones u mentioned dont take the perimeter shots that kobe takes

how many 3s have that taken?

Kobe has taken 4,185

[DMC]

dr j, duncan, ect all the ones u mentioned dont take the perimeter shots that kobe takes

how many 3s have that taken?

Kobe has taken 4,185

You really are anti-Kobe and it really does show.

[Lincoln]

Tbh dirk is a perimeter player as well, shoots better percentages from 2 and 3 and ft, has less help, defense locks in on him because there is no true #2

[Deuce Bigalow]

Kobe is the most overrated player of all time. He is great player but he isn't as great as people make him out to be. Having a career 44-45 FG percentage is crap and its pathetic that even in his prime he could never shoot above 46 percent. If you look at other great perimeter players besides MJ and you will see guys like Bird and DR J managed to shoot above 50 percent several times in there career. Impact wise Kobe sucks if you had him in his prime on a crappy team like the Bobcats its safe to say they would still be a crappy team whereas put a Duncan,Shaq,Magic,Dr J,Jabbar,Olaujuwon, and I would say the bobcats atleast become a top 4 team in their conference.

when kobe was on a crappy team, he became the 5th player in nba history to average 35+ in a season

2005-06
35/5/5 + 1.8 steals per game and on the all nba 1st team and all defensive 1st team

2006-07
31.6 ppg on 22.8 FGA
32/6/5
all nba 1st team, and all defensive 1st team

not impactfull, duncan can average 30+ ppg, or 6 apg?
or score 50 points in 4 consecutive games like kobe did

[daslicer]

Tbh dirk is a perimeter player as well, shoots better percentages from 2 and 3 and ft, has less help, defense locks in on him because there is no true #2

Agreed on that I thought about mentioning him but then again some would argue he is 7ft but yeah Dirk has a good FG percentage career wise. He has managed to shoot at 50 percent and above a few times.

[daslicer]

when kobe was on a crappy team, he became the 5th player in nba history to average 35+ in a season

2005-06
35/5/5 + 1.8 steals per game and on the all nba 1st team and all defensive 1st team

2006-07
31.6 ppg on 22.8 FGA
32/6/5
all nba 1st team, and all defensive 1st team

not impactfull, duncan can average 30+ ppg, or 6 apg?
or score 50 points in 4 consecutive games like kobe did

Yeah but Kobe's teams were pure trash considering they consistently finished in the 6-8 range in the conference during those years. If he had a great impact on the game he would have found a way to get the 4h seed or get out of the first round at least once. Those are things he couldn't do. Its hard for me to believe if you had Duncan in his prime on those Laker teams that they wouldn't have managed to get at least top 4 in the conference with at least one second round appearance. Also Kobe wasn't able to shoot above 46 percent which you will try to round up but its still 46 percent so it means good portion of those points weren't scored in an efficient manner which hurt his team.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Yeah but Kobe's teams were pure trash considering they consistently finished in the 6-8 range in the conference during those years. If he had a great impact on the game he would have found a way to get the 4h seed or get out of the first round at least once. Those are things he couldn't do. Its hard for me to believe if you had Duncan in his prime on those Laker teams that they wouldn't have managed to get at least top 4 in the conference with at least one second round appearance. Also Kobe wasn't able to shoot above 46 percent which you will try to round up but its still 46 percent so it means good portion of those points weren't scored in an efficient manner which hurt his team.

this deserves a facepalm

tell me who was on that roster?
ill help
smush parker, kwame brown, chris mihm, chucky atkins, luke walton, ect
the only good player he had was lamar odom

duncans always had a good roster
and if duncan was on that 05-07 laker team, they wouldnt be better, they would be worse, the lakers were totally dependent on kobe dropping 40 every night
replacing a 35/5/5 and 32/6/5 kobe with a 20/11/3 Duncan, no way would they be better

[DMC]

Anyone will look like trash on a team where one guy shoots the ball every trip. Kwame Brown was a 1st overall pick. Lakers chose him over Caron Butler.

You are what you make yourself to be. The Lakers don't develop players, they buy them.

[Deuce Bigalow]

Anyone will look like trash on a team where one guy shoots the ball every trip. Kwame Brown was a 1st overall pick. Lakers chose him over Caron Butler.

You are what you make yourself to be. The Lakers don't develop players, they buy them.

yeah and pay off the refs
rig championships
yeah i heard all of peoples excuses

[pass1st]

how is kobe the better individual player? all he does is score more points with much more shot attempts. kobe at best will be #10 on the list if he doesnt get bumped by lebron.

You make him sound like he's an inefficient chucker like Arenas. If a guard shoots 45% or above, he's good. Kobe, during his prime, was a complete player with an ego problem. It's pretty hard to compare a PF (expected FG% 50% and rarely shoot) to an SG (expected to shoot 43-45% and shoot more than get in the paint).

I just see him as a more individually talented player