If you analyze the game of basketball, you will notice things that impact the game, that aren't recorded statistically. When you watch the Spurs' glory years, with TD in his prime, you will see that Duncan makes the right pass to break down the defense at an extremely high and efficient rate. Usually, these passes don't lead to an alley-oop, or even a recorded statistical assist, but do lead to open shots or open lanes.
Same on d. He anchored the defense, allowing for for perimeter players to stick close to their man on the perimeter, risking a player to blow by them. It was an affordable gamble because Duncan was so efficient at help defense. Ask Bruce Bowen... both his offensive corner 3 and perimeter defense were products largely due to the impact of having Duncan on the team.
This is how Duncan is a better playmaker. You and ESPN may not see this, but it's there if you learn how the game works.
Secondly, I'm not talking about top 50... I'm talking about a 20/10 big man. If it's a dumb argument, then stop trying to bull what I'm saying.
Thirdly, let me repeat myself for the third time. We aren't talking about MJ, Nash, or Kareem. I'll take your pettifog attempts as a sign that you can't find a logical rebuttal.
rebuttal on what?
on the rings
well kobe has more
and
his 01, 02, 09, 10 runs > duncans 99, 05, 07 runs
so duncans are not more valuable
playmaking, get real
passing, get real
and same goes for kobe on the things that dont go on the stat book, like locking perimeter players down
I think the difference in the way I would rank NBA players, is heavily based on the interaction of a players role and team success. I don't really factor talent into it as much, or the list would change depending on who would win one-on-one. I think this is where you and I have differing opinions on Duncan value. I guess I inflate the value to the team more so... maybe more than I should...
I agree that the 03 team were better than Kobe's post-Shaq squads.
I disagree. His 01 and 02 runs are not better, because like you said, Shaq was the "man." You're comparing a second option to a first option.
You just don't ing get it, do you? Stats don't mean when you're doubled constantly. Show me where Gasol got doubled like Timmy did. Damn...this is just horrible. lol using stats to base arguments.
so?
29/7/6
and
27/6/5
other than 03, duncans numbers look almost like Gasol's
no way 22/11 is better
gasol can put that up as a 1st option
since stats are so damn important when comparing Duncan to Kobe, let's throw in rebounds....maybe blocked shots? Don't be an idiot. No..wait..keep being an idiot..laughter is good medicine.
lol comparing Gasol to Duncan's prime years.
i know stats dont mean that much, but they do mean something atleast
duncans wasnt that great, except 03 le run, the others were very good, but not great
Again... you show lack of NBA IQ. Is it not reasonable to think that stats are misleading, since Duncan's Spurs always ran on a defensive minded, half court offensive system?... Or are we just going to ignore ever facet of the game and focus on stats?
Duncan's duties on the Spurs team included a lot more than Kobe's. Defensively, there's no comparison. Duncan was doubled, while Kobe got his points from being single covered and outplaying the man who covered him.
dude keeps saying stats aren't everything, but every argument he has is stat based.
how are duncan's 99, 05, 07 playoff runs better than kobe's 01, 02, 09, 10 runs
cause statistaclly they arent close
kobe wasnt doubled?
kobe was on the all nba and all defensive teams, the defense just let him get everything?
lol
kobe was the better player, and i dont care if he was second option those years
One man was first option all three years...one was first option for 2 of them...one played under tougher situations (doubled) for all three games while one was given the ball while another man was being doubled for two of the games.
in '01-'02, who would you have doubled? Shaq or Kobe? If you so Kobe, you're an idiot.
so much BS
your acting like kobe was a scrub, and defenses didnt even care
nobody says this stuff about kareem or magic
but once it comes to kobe...
magic has 0 rings without kareem
and that kareem was getting double and magic was not the focus blah blah blah, how come i only here this type of BS about Kobe?
hes a complete moron right? i bet the other laker fans on this forum are proud to have deuce bigalow defending there team. isnt that right pass1st
soo...because I'm saying he wasn't better than Duncan during his prime playoff runs, it makes him a scrub? yeah...you really are an idiot.
why is a moron calling me one?
Laker fans are right about here right now
4/5 kobes playoff runs leading to a le are better, all duncan has is his amazing 03 run, the rest are not that great
You know what? I'm going to stop here..because obviously you're about 13 years old, and don't understand a thing about the years you're speaking of. I really don't want to hurt your feelings, so I'm going to quit. Have a good evening.
ok...I lied...
YOU'RE STILL BASING EVERYTHING ON STATS!!! How many people have to tell you that stats mean before you wake the up?
Which is why OP should clarify what they see as an all time player. The best player is very vague.
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