The Official Spanish Primera Liga Thread

[lefty]

Morientes played for monaco in 2004. (scored twice against real in the quarter finals)

Yep

[ElNono]

Morientes played for monaco in 2004. (scored twice against real in the quarter finals)

oops... I forgot. I thought he was still with Madrid. Thanks.

[ogait]

Which is my point. They don't have a compe ive league all year round. A bit of over the top talent, and you're set there. It's either Sporting or Porto.

Actually it's mostly Porto and some Benfica, but that's not important. As you said there is very poor compe ion besides the top teams there, which should make it even more impressive that a low budget team like Porto, compare to the European giants, has managed to win it all.

[ElNono]

Have to disagree with this. He took a mid level European team like Porto and won the Champions League. Haven't seen anything comparable to that lately tbh.

You haven't seen anything like that lately because ManU, Madrid, Barça and the usual batch of Italian teams transitioned into powerhouses.

When Mou won that was around the time Greece won the Euro cup. Just a transition period.

Now if you want to talk about anyone who hasn't coach a low level team, look no further than Guardiola. Actually he never coached any other team besides Barcelona. I would like to see him coach something else than his home team club witch almost plays by themselves (just look at the Spanish National Team) before I can pronounce him a world class coach.

I would like to see him coach somewhere else too. I have a lot of respect for the kind of soccer his team plays, and I doubt he can pull that off in other clubs. When I talk about great coaches, I'm talking about guys like Ferguson or Del Bosque, who was not afraid to go to Besiktas after coaching Madrid, and won a World Cup too.

You look at Mourinho, and he is basically Capello. They don't know what it is to have to put a team together without gazillion dollars available.

Mourinho on the other hand has proved to be a winner in every place he has been. Further more both Chelsea and Inter got significantly worse after he left the clubs witch further proves that he hadn't that much of an easy job.

lol at the selective Mou fan memory. As soon as he left Chelsea, Avram Grant (who?) took over and put them in the CL final and finished 2nd in the EPL.
Inter was a powerhouse that won 3 Serie A tournaments in a row by the time Mourinho showed up. He should build a shrine to Mancini who put that team together for him.

If you want to argue he did a over-the-top job in Porto, then you could talk me into that. Nobody is saying he's incompetent. But he's severely overrated.

[ElNono]

Actually it's mostly Porto and some Benfica, but that's not important. As you said there is very poor compe ion besides the top teams there, which should make it even more impressive that a low budget team like Porto, compare to the European giants, has managed to win it all.

I meant Benfica, thanks.

It's called a fluke. See Greece Euro champs same year.

[lefty]

I meant Benfica, thanks.

It's called a fluke. See Greece Euro champs same year.

You're gonna upset Manu_Forever

[ElNono]

You're gonna upset Manu_Forever

[ogait]

ElNono I get your points, even though I don't agree with them completely.

The one thing I must say about Mourinho is that I don't see him being in a club for a long time and as such it will be hard to compare him to guys like Del Bosque or Ferguson who had a long history with their respective clubs.

The point remains, he won wherever he coached.

It's hard to argue against facts, particularly when you compare what he did with what coaches in the same club did after and before him. Pelegrini, Ranieri, Mancini, Avram Graant, Rafa Benitez, Scolari, Leonardo, now Vilas Boas in hope of the second coming of Mourinho. They all had the same players and money and not even close the same results.

He already said he wanted to go back to coach in England so you can figure he isn't going to stay in Real that much longer either. Now it's just a matter of Barcelona to keep him from winning and then I will say that he finally found his match.

[ElNono]

ElNono I get your points, even though I don't agree with them completely.

The one thing I must say about Mourinho is that I don't see him being in a club for a long time and as such it will be hard to compare him to guys like Del Bosque or Ferguson who had a long history with their respective clubs.

The point remains, he won wherever he coached.

It's hard to argue against facts, particularly when you compare what he did with what coaches in the same club did after and before him. Pelegrini, Ranieri, Mancini, Avram Graant, Rafa Benitez, Scolari, Leonardo, now Vilas Boas in hope of the second coming of Mourinho. They all had the same players and money and not even close the same results.

He already said he wanted to go back to coach in England so you can figure he isn't going to stay in Real that much longer either. Now it's just a matter of Barcelona to keep him from winning and then I will say that he finally found his match.

It's ok. It's all opinion anyways, and everybody's en led to one. I'm just upfront about it, so lefty gets the idea why I want his team to lose

[DAF86]

Messi throwing up during the Supercopa game.

lol still beign hangover from the vacations and still taping that ass.

[Venti Quattro]

Give it to Mou, he's really a good manager. Still made though.

[velik_m]

Now if you want to talk about anyone who hasn't coach a low level team, look no further than Guardiola. Actually he never coached any other team besides Barcelona. I would like to see him coach something else than his home team club which almost plays by themselves (just look at the Spanish National Team) before I can pronounce him a world class coach.

I would just like to point out, that best coached teams always look like they could play by themselves and like they don't need a coach. I actually consider it a mark of a great coach.

[joshdaboss]

Whats the point of getting Cesc really? After watching the game yesterday they needed more help in the back - not on their bench.

To make Messi even more overrated. lol Very much looking forward to the next world cup. 31/0. Let's get it.

[it's me]

To make Messi even more overrated. lol Very much looking forward to the next world cup. 31/0. Let's get it.

.... Messi has been the best Argentina NT player almost every single game they have played.... but It's understandable that Messi haters will use his national TEAM failure as an excuse to easy their pain..... meanwhile the guy keeps ting on Real Moudrid.

[it's me]

FWIW, I'm no Barça fan, more of a Mourinho hater. I remember the times when Real was a classy team, with great players and a gentleman for a coach (ie: Del Bosque).

Mourinho has turned great players into a bunch of whiners and dirty butthurt es. There's not one call against them that they're not rounding the ref and crying like somebody stole their candy. Mourinho himself is the epitome of made. He never loses a game, it's always the refs, the media, or a combination of both. The rival team cannot ever play better, nor can he ever make a mistake.

So it's always nice to look at a team that rarely, if ever, makes excuses walk in and beat them up. I really like Higuain, and I think Casillas is a top goalie and good guy, but tbh, it's not enough to offset the collection of made there.

Amazingly, after that display of dirty play and bad sportsmanship..... Real Moudrid is still complaining about the refs.... WOW just WOW I can't believe they actually think the ref was against them.....to me it's obvious now, it's a Mourinho's strategy... the crying is actually affecting the refs. Real Madrid isn't a fraction of the great club it used to be.

[ElNono]

Amazingly, after that display of dirty play and bad sportsmanship..... Real Moudrid is still complaining about the refs.... WOW just WOW I can't believe they actually think the ref was against them.....to me it's obvious now, it's a Mourinho's strategy... the crying is actually affecting the refs. Real Madrid isn't a fraction of the great club it used to be.

It's sad that if I have to list the top 3 butchers in the spanish league, they would all be from Madrid:

1) Pepe
2) Xabi Alonso
3) Khedira

and it's not close, IMO.

[lefty]

Yeah, those Barça players are angels

Give me a break

[ElNono]

Yeah, those Barça players are angels

Give me a break

I'm not even talking about Barça and you got mad, son...

[lefty]

I'm not even talking about Barça and you got mad, son...

When it comes to RMA-Barça, I'm very sensitive

[ElNono]

When it comes to RMA-Barça, I'm very sensitive

[Venti Quattro]

Messi looks ripped. But I hope that doesn't affect his agility and quickness.

[TDMVPDPOY]

4more hrs the return leg real at barca

[MaNuMaNiAc]

Yeah, those Barça players are angels

Give me a break

Barca dives, Real dives and butchers. There's a difference.

[ALVAREZ6]

4more hrs the return leg real at barca

Madrid is gonna get slaughtered

Pep: Madrid better than us
http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/st...madrid?cc=5901

"In the first leg, Madrid were better, in these three days we have improved some things, but I believe they are still better," he said.

"That is the feeling I have, but every match is a story. If the return leg were in two weeks, it would be different. We will have to play better than we did at the Santiago Bernabeu to win the Supercopa.

"We will have to play with the kind of speed we could not put in our game the other day. Three days have passed, we have trained really well."

AKA, 3 of our top defenders didn't start (only 1 of these played), Xavi didn't start, Messi was throwing up from partying the night before because there's no reason to take Mourinho and Madrid seriously, the team barely practiced at all as a full squad in preparation for this season, RMA played their best lineup and yet despite all of these conditions they only managed to tie 2-2 at home .


The thought of moving back to England must be stronger than ever in the Special One's mind, there is no victory to be had in Spain. I think a lot of Barca's ridiculous spending lately is simply to spite Mourinho and continue to shut him down. Of course they want to keep up with Madrid's spending as usual, but I have a feeling they want to completely dominate Madrid during these couple of years due to Mourinho.

[TDMVPDPOY]

The thought of moving back to England must be stronger than ever in the Special One's mind, there is no victory to be had in Spain. I think a lot of Barca's ridiculous spending lately is simply to spite Mourinho and continue to shut him down. Of course they want to keep up with Madrid's spending as usual, but I have a feeling they want to completely dominate Madrid during these couple of years due to Mourinho.

how many players on the rmd team is actually his signing? cant compare this team to the other teams he has manage where he had an input on who to bring in