US judges rule for teacher who called creationism 'supers ious nonsense'

[Wild Cobra]

Thanks, I figured it was just another Darrin strawman.

Call it what you will, but I did point out there are different schools of thought for creationism as well.

[Blake]

Call it what you will, but I did point out there are different schools of thought for creationism as well.

none of which belong in the public schools

[Wild Cobra]

none of which belong in the public schools

Then what do you suggest? Not teaching evolution? Teaching evolution and pointing out not all agree with it?

Schools are a place of learning, and just because something has religious themes, does that automatically disqualify them?

I would say that teachers who do anything to indicate religion is wrong to children are as guilty of those trying to preach religion. Teaching evolution in the manner schools do, disagrees with religion.

If we are going to be a culturally sensitive nation, then why are we so insensitive to Christian and other religious values?

[Blake]

I would say no. There is the creation, and then there is creationism. There are differences in peoples thoughts over these. The way the original words read, it could amount to terraforming.

lol original words.

zoroastrianism says o

[Wild Cobra]

lol original words.

zoroastrianism says o

What does "formed" mean to you? that's how the oldest texts we know of translates for the creation. It doesn't translate to "create."

[DarrinS]

none of which belong in the public schools

Talking about the nonexistence of God has no place in the public school either.

This is probably where SCOTUS will step in.

[Blake]

Then what do you suggest? Not teaching evolution? Teaching evolution and pointing out not all agree with it?

Schools are a place of learning, and just because something has religious themes, does that automatically disqualify them?

I would say that teachers who do anything to indicate religion is wrong to children are as guilty of those trying to preach religion. Teaching evolution in the manner schools do, disagrees with religion.

If we are going to be a culturally sensitive nation, then why are we so insensitive to Christian and other religious values?

how long have you been posting here?

your post belongs in the kiddie pool.

[Blake]

Talking about the nonexistence of God has no place in the public school either.

what about the nonexistence of Zeus?

kiddie pool you go

[Blake]

This is probably where SCOTUS will step in.

if they do, it will be just another way that religion holds us back as a society.

[Blake]

What does "formed" mean to you? that's how the oldest texts we know of translates for the creation. It doesn't translate to "create."

"formed" means "formed" to me.

what is the oldest text you know of?

[Wild Cobra]

"formed" means "formed" to me.

what is the oldest text you know of?

The Torah.

[Oh, Gee!!]

Talking about the nonexistence of God has no place in the public school either.

This is probably where SCOTUS will step in.

Doubtful scotus will carve out a new restriction on the 1st amendment bc of this dumbass case

[Wild Cobra]

Talking about the nonexistence of God has no place in the public school either.

This is probably where SCOTUS will step in.

This is true.

The liberal dogma of separation of church and state can be said to violates the first amendment!

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to pe ion the Government for a redress of grievances.

To say the creation cannot be taught is a violation of established religion.

[Wild Cobra]

Doubtful scotus will carve out a new restriction on the 1st amendment bc of this dumbass case

LOL...

You mean you don't think they will honor the first amendment?

[Wild Cobra]

Can someone show me where in the cons ution, the concept of "separation of church and state" is?

Please...

I missed that in my cons utional studies.

Surely, one of you liberals who are so versed about it can show me where it is.

[Wild Cobra]

I cannot remember a phrase verbatim, and my attempts to find a particular creation joke have failed. Anyone see the one where God tell Moses about how the earth, animals, man, etc. came to be? Moses says to God, something like "buy lord, they'll never believe that." God responds buy saying something like "Then tell them something they will believe."

Really want to find it.... Anyone?

Anyway, looking for it, I found a cute one women may like:

Creation of Man

One day in the Garden of Eden, Eve calls out to God, "Lord, I have a problem!"

"What's the problem, Eve?"

"Lord, I know you've created me and have provided this beautiful garden and all of these wonderful animals, and that hilarious comedy snake, but I'm just not happy."

"Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above.

"Lord, I am lonely. And I'm sick to death of apples."

"Well, Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for you."

"What's a 'man', Lord?"

"This man will be a flawed creature, with aggressive tendencies, an enormous ego and an inability to empathize or listen to you properly. All in all, he'll give you a hard time. But, he'll be bigger and faster and more muscular than you. He'll be really good at fighting and kicking a ball about and hunting fleet- footed ruminants, and not altogether bad in the sack."

"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow.

"Yeah, well. He's better than a poke in the eye with a burnt stick. But, you can have him on one condition."

"What's that, Lord?"

"You'll have to let him believe that I made him first."

[Spurminator]

Hey guys I just wanted to let everyone know that I went to church this morning and made it back home without being arrested or persecuted in any way. In case anyone was wondering about my safety. We were singing pretty loudly in the auditorium, but apparently it was not a problem.

[Spurminator]

opposing useless religious indoctrination in schools <> espousing atheism

Amen.

[DMC]

Hey guys I just wanted to let everyone know that I went to church this morning and made it back home without being arrested or persecuted in any way. In case anyone was wondering about my safety. We were singing pretty loudly in the auditorium, but apparently it was not a problem.

I was beginning to worry, because there are churches on almost every corner around here and new ones going up weekly. I would hate for that level of persecution to be going on in my neighborhood.

Anyhow, I was a church goer for many years and I can guarantee anyone that more persecution is happening inside the church than outside of it.

[ElNono]

Talking about the nonexistence of God has no place in the public school either.

Contextualized, sure it does.

[LnGrrrR]

If you judged solely on websites like Huffpo, Dailykos, or even by posters here, you would think that atheism is the mainstream belief of liberals/progressives. Recent Gallop poll shows that at least 90% of Democrats believe in God.

Your point?

[LnGrrrR]

Then what do you suggest? Not teaching evolution? Teaching evolution and pointing out not all agree with it?

Schools are a place of learning, and just because something has religious themes, does that automatically disqualify them?

I would say that teachers who do anything to indicate religion is wrong to children are as guilty of those trying to preach religion. Teaching evolution in the manner schools do, disagrees with religion.

If we are going to be a culturally sensitive nation, then why are we so insensitive to Christian and other religious values?

Saying that religion is wrong would be bad. Saying that a belief that is inherently unprovable (we were created by a rational creator) isn't science isn't bad.

Should we teach every crackpot theory about how we came about? Should we give equal time to people who think we were engineered by aliens, for instance.

Teaching evolution in the manner schools do, disagrees with religion.

I'm sure we teach things in our schools that disagree with Islamic beliefs. Does that mean we should stop teaching them?

[LnGrrrR]

This is true.

The liberal dogma of separation of church and state can be said to violates the first amendment!

To say the creation cannot be taught is a violation of established religion.

WC, honestly I think you're re ed sometimes. Not allowing the teaching of creationism = prohibiting free exercise of religion.

Hey, my kid's religion insists he meditates for five hours per day, from 9 AM to 2 PM. If schools make him go to classes, then they're violating his Cons utional rights!

[LnGrrrR]

Can someone show me where in the cons ution, the concept of "separation of church and state" is?

Please...

I missed that in my cons utional studies.

Surely, one of you liberals who are so versed about it can show me where it is.

Can you show me it's not in there?

[ChuckD]

Then what do you suggest? Not teaching evolution? Teaching evolution and pointing out not all agree with it?

Schools are a place of learning, and just because something has religious themes, does that automatically disqualify them?

I would say that teachers who do anything to indicate religion is wrong to children are as guilty of those trying to preach religion. Teaching evolution in the manner schools do, disagrees with religion.

If we are going to be a culturally sensitive nation, then why are we so insensitive to Christian and other religious values?

Religion belongs in church and in the home. School is for teaching facts and testing theories and hypotheses, not espousing beliefs. That would qualify as religious indoctrination, something a government funded en y has no business doing.

There is no test to prove God exists. There are no footprints of God in rocks from long ago. You either believe or you don't. If you believe, it shouldn't be a burden to explain to your children that what they are taught in school is different from what they learn in church, and that that's OK, not everyone believes. What people of weak faith are afraid of is that kids will understand that there are fossils from millions of years ago, and there is a scientifically proven process called Carbon 14 dating, and that the world is NOT only 6000 years old. At that point, biblical literalism becomes absurd. You can still be a Christian and believe, though.