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    http://countrystudies.us/libya/55.htm

    Libya Table of Contents
    Social Welfare

    A government advertisement appearing in an international publication in 1977 asserted that the Libyan social security legislation of 1973 ranked among the most comprehensive in the world and that it protected all citizens from many hazards associated with employment. The social security program ins uted in 1957 had already provided protection superior to that available in many or most developing countries, and in the 1980s the welfare available to Libyans included much more than was provided under the social security law: work injury and sickness compensation and disability, retirement, and survivors' pensions. Workers employed by foreign firms were en led to the same social security benefits as workers employed by Libyan citizens.

    Subsidized food, inexpensive housing, free medical care and education, and profit-sharing were among the benefits that eased the lives of all citizens. The government protected the employed in their jobs and subsidized the underemployed and unemployed. In addition, there were nurseries to care for the children of working mothers, orphanages for homeless children, and homes for the aged. The welfare programs had reached even the oasis towns of the desert, where they reportedly were received with considerable satisfaction. The giving of alms to the poor remained one of the pillars of the Islamic faith, but the extent of public welfare was such that there was increasingly less place for private welfare. Nonetheless, the traditional Arab sense of family responsibility remained strong, and provision for needy relatives was still a common practice.

    Medical Care

    The number of physicians and surgeons in practice increased fivefold between 1965 and 1974, and large increases were registered in the number of dentists, medical, and paramedical personnel. Further expansion and improvement followed over the next decade in response to large budgetary outlays, as the revolutionary regime continued to use its oil income to improve the health and welfare of all Libyans. The number of doctors and dentists increased from 783 in 1970 to 5,450 in 1985, producing in the case of doctors a ratio of 1 per 673 citizens. These doctors were attached to a comprehensive network of health care facilities that dispensed free medical care. The number of hospital beds increased from 7,500 in 1970 to almost 20,000 by 1985, an improvement from 3.5 beds to 5.3 beds per 1,000 citizens. During the same years, substantial increases were also registered in the number of clinics and health care centers.

    A large proportion of medical and paramedical personnel were foreigners brought in under contract from other Arab countries and from Eastern Europe. The major efforts to "Libyanize" health care professionals, however, were beginning to show results in the mid1980s . Libyan sources claimed that approximately 33 percent of all doctors were nationals in 1985, as compared with only about 6 percent a decade earlier. In the field of nursing staff and technicians, the situation was considerably better--about 80 percent were Libyan. Schools of nursing had been in existence since the early 1960s, and the faculties of medicine in the universities at Tripoli and Benghazi included specialized ins utes for nurses and technicians. The first medical school was not established until 1970, and there was no school of dentistry until 1974. By 1978 a total of nearly 500 students was enrolled in medical studies at schools in Benghazi and Tripoli, and the dental school in Benghazi had graduated its first class of 23 students. In addition, some students were pursuing graduate medical studies abroad, but in the immediate future Libya was expected to continue to rely heavily on expatriate medical personnel.

    Among the major health hazards endemic in the country in the 1970s were typhoid and paratyphoid, infectious hepa is, leishmaniasis, rabies, meningitis, schistosomiasis, and venereal diseases. Also reported as having high incidence were various childhood diseases, such as whooping cough, mumps, measles, and chicken pox. Cholera occurred intermittently and, although malaria was regarded as having been eliminated in the 1960s, malaria suppressants were often recommended for use in desert oasis areas.

    By the early 1980s, it was claimed that most or all of these diseases were under control. A high rate of trachoma formerly left 10 percent or more of the population blinded or with critically impaired vision, but by the late 1970s the disease appeared to have been brought under control. The incidence of new cases of tuberculosis was reduced by nearly half between 1969 and 1976, and twenty-two new centers for tuberculosis care were constructed between 1970 and 1985. By the early 1980s, two rehabilitation centers for the handicapped had been built, one each in Benghazi and Tripoli. These offered both medical and job-training services and complemented the range of health care services available in the country.

    The streets of Tripoli and Benghazi were kept scrupulously clean, and drinking water in these cities was of good quality. The government had made significant efforts to provide safe water. In summing up accomplishments since 1970, officials listed almost 1,500 wells drilled and more than 900 reservoirs in service in 1985, in addition to 9,000 kilometers of potable water networks and 44 desalination plants. Sewage disposal had also received considerable attention, twenty-eight treatment plants having been built.

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    CC still won't say whose list he parroted.

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    Seriously, CC. Why are you dodging the question?

    Who wrote the list you pasted in your apologist post?
    I compiled it from a couple of different summaries I read and left out any that couldn't be independently verified.

    Are you not reading the sources I am giving you?

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    CC still won't say whose list he parroted.
    So the World Bank, scholarly reports, and Wikipedia aren't viable sources?

    Give up, Chump.

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    I compiled it from a couple of different summaries I read and left out any that couldn't be independently verified.

    Are you not reading the sources I am giving you?
    I'm talking about the original apologist list you pasted.

    Who wrote that?

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    LoL. You "apparently" know who wrote the list so start bashing the guy you think put the list together instead of refuting what he wrote. The suspense is killing me!

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    Libya is not an electoral democracy. Power theoretically lies with a system of people’s committees and the indirectly elected General People’s Congress, but in practice those structures are manipulated to ensure the continued dominance of Mu’ammar al-Qadhafi, who holds no official le. It is illegal for any political group to oppose the principles of the 1969 revolution, which are laid out in the Green Book, although market-based economic changes in recent years have diverged from the regime’s socialist ideals.

    Political parties have been illegal for over 35 years, and the government strictly monitors political activity. Organizing or joining anything akin to a political party is punishable by long prison terms and even the death sentence. Many Libyan opposition movements and figures operate outside the country.

    There is no independent press. The regime hardened its monopoly on media outlets in mid-2009 with the nationalization of Al-Ghad media group, which was established in 2007 by al-Qadhafi’s son, Saif al-Islam, and encompassed the country’s only quasi-independent newspapers and radio stations. The satellite television station Al-Libiya, a subsidiary of Al-Ghad and the country’s only private television outlet, had fallen under scrutiny after airing criticism of the Egyptian government. State-owned media largely operate as mouthpieces for the authorities, and journalists work in a climate of fear and self-censorship. Those who displease the regime face harassment or imprisonment on trumped-up charges. The government controls the country’s only internet service provider. The OpenNet Initiative found that dissident websites were censored and hacked sporadically in 2009, although less often than in previous years. The government established the first wireless service provider for public use in January. This may increase internet usage, which stood at only 4.7 percent in 2008 due to poor telecommunications infrastructure.

    source
    Maybe you should compare that to the CIA Factbook on Libya

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    So the World Bank, scholarly reports, and Wikipedia aren't viable sources?

    Give up, Chump.
    I see you haven't given up dodging the question I asked before your wikipedia carpet bombing.

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    Why do liberals like you believe in the authoritarian approach of imposing our values on other sovereign nations?
    We didn't impose anything. You're authoritarian, and I'm not a liberal.

    "You will comply with our wishes, or we will fire 112 cruise missiles at you!"
    Do you disagree with the UN resolution that authorized the attacks?
    What part you specifically disagree with?

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    LoL. You "apparently" know who wrote the list so start bashing the guy you think put the list together instead of refuting what he wrote. The suspense is killing me!
    I've seen to whom it has been attributed.

    I'm sure you haven't.

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    We didn't impose anything. You're authoritarian, and I'm not a liberal.



    Do you disagree with the UN resolution that authorized the attacks?
    What part you specifically disagree with?
    Absolutely, and all of it that I know of.

    There may be things I missed, but there was nothing that justified aiding a civil war, that would have ended soon after starting without UN help.

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    I've seen to whom it has been attributed.

    I'm sure you haven't.
    Let the bashing begin then.

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    CC works for the Libya Chamber of Commerce. No one would hire him in America.

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    Let the bashing begin then.
    See if you can find out who wrote it, jack. I'm not convinced you can.

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    CC works for the Libya Chamber of Commerce. No one would hire him in America.
    Shouldn't that be in blue?

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    Maybe you should compare that to the CIA Factbook on Libya
    lol.

    tier rating: Tier 3 - the Libyan Government failed to demonstrate significant efforts to investigate and prosecute trafficking offenses or to protect trafficking victims; the government's policies and practices with respect to undo ented migrant workers resulted in Libyan authorities also punishing trafficking victims for unlawful acts that were committed as a result of their being trafficked; following the outbreak of civil unrest in February 2011, accurate information regarding the situation in Libya has become very limited (2011)

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    Upset? Gadhafi nationalized the evil oil companies and used the money to:

    increase literacy from 10% to 90%

    Libya has a lower hunger rate than the United States (2%)

    Education from grade school through to college was free in Libya.

    Healthcare is free and Libyan pharmacies and hospitals are comparable to high-quality European facilities.

    Libya ranks No. 53 on the United Nations Index of Human Development.

    Libya has by far the highest standard of living in Africa.

    In 1969 before Qaddafi it was the lowest in the world at just $60 per year income

    Libya gives free land and seeds to anyone who wants to farm that land.

    There is virtually no homelessness in Libya as everyone is given a home.

    Women in Libya have equal rights, not only as a philosophy, but in practice.

    Under Gaddafi’s oil-revenue-sharing program, each Libyan gets $500 (Dollars) deposited into his or her bank account each month.

    For any medical care, operations, or health treatments that are unavailable in Libya, the citizen is given full expenses for travel, treatment and accommodation abroad to wherever is required for the treatment to be given.

    On marriage, each couple was gifted $60,000 to do with as they please; furnish their home, take a holiday, honeymoon, buy car, etc.

    Now THATS "Change you can believe in!"
    This is the post to which I'm referring.

    I am asking CC to whom it is widely attributed.

    He has yet to answer.

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    Maybe you should compare that to the CIA Factbook on Libya
    I did. Please quote where it contradicts what I posted about political/information freedom. Thanks.

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    There may be things I missed, but there was nothing that justified aiding a civil war, that would have ended soon after starting without UN help.
    Says who, you?

    Please stop beating around the bush and point out what part of the UN resolution that enabled the use of force by coalition forces you didn't agree with.

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    I'm talking about the original apologist list you pasted.

    Who wrote that?
    Some guy with an arabic name. (imagine that!) I don't know him. It was just a summary to start the dialogue. Why not just argue the facts? Because you can't?

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    Some guy with an arabic name. (imagine that!) I don't know him. It was just a summary to start the dialogue. Why not just argue the facts? Because you can't?
    I am arguing a fact here.

    I believe you are lying about not knowing who he is because, up to now, you have seemed to intelligent to not figure out a source that provided your verbatim belief of the Lybian government.

    If not, why not just google his name and find out?

    I'll wait.

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    this thread, like jesus, has risen!

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    I am arguing a fact here.

    I believe you are lying about not knowing who he is because, up to now, you have seemed to intelligent to not figure out a source that provided your verbatim belief of the Lybian government.

    If not, why not just google his name and find out?

    I'll wait.
    The main reason is I could care less who wrote a summary I paraphrased in my post.

    Whats your point? Was health care free? Was education free? Was housing free? Did he not nationalize the evil oil companies and spend that money to give his people free ?

    He had very Obamaesque goals for Libya.

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    I did. Please quote where it contradicts what I posted about political/information freedom. Thanks.
    Sorry I didn't specify. I meant the telecommunications.

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    Says who, you?

    Please stop beating around the bush and point out what part of the UN resolution that enabled the use of force by coalition forces you didn't agree with.
    My recall has it that they called for stopping Gaddafi from killing the protesters. Remember the couple videos that showed these so-called protesters had weapons? I wonder, who fired the first shots?

    I'm sorry, I simply do not buy the UN reasoning. Looks like lies to me.

    I guess just because the UN says so, it must be gospel, huh?

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