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  1. #51
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    Back with the ty arrow argument again I see.
    back with not saying because you dont have to say, and when you do, its because your ass is bleeding over the fact that you are/were dead ing wrong

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    So basically, Mav fan is admitting that Dirk was not legit main guy until this year.

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    So basically, Mav fan is admitting that Dirk was not legit main guy until this year.
    just that he was more legit than Dwight Howard.

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    So basically, Mav fan is admitting that Dirk was not legit main guy until this year.
    No, Dirk has been a legit main guy for a while now. Especially starting with the series against New Orleans, which is where if you watched him, you could see his offensive diversity had grown and you could no longer scheme for him, without sending 3 guys at him. Unfortunately he simply did not have a very good team.

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    just that he was more legit than Dwight Howard.
    Why? Before this year, Dwight led a team to an NBA final a lot faster than Dirk did and didn't have nearly the amount of playoff failures and collapses.

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    No, Dirk has been a legit main guy for a while now. Especially starting with the series against New Orleans, which is where if you watched him, you could see his offensive diversity had grown and you could no longer scheme for him, without sending 3 guys at him. Unfortunately he simply did not have a very good team.
    , so now we can assume Dirk was good enough and a "main guy" all those year with massive playoff failures, but "you don't know that about Dwight yet" because he hasn't won.

    So like I said, Mav fan is saying Dirk wasn't legit before this year.

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    Why? Before this year, Dwight led a team to an NBA final a lot faster than Dirk did and didn't have nearly the amount of playoff failures and collapses.
    lol "led"

    Rashard & Hedo hit every big shot to get them there, but yeah Dwight "led"

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    good point

    Howard hasn't even won a le, so how can someone say that he doesn't need a legit wing player at his side to win a le, something that virtually every dominant center in history has needed in order to win a le?
    And for s sake, Howard got his ass handed to him by Pau ing Gasol. Even Dirk doesnt let Gasol do jack on him, and we are led to believe that Howards defense = or > Dirks offense??? GMAFB

    Howards offense > Dirks defense

    but

    Dirks offense >>> Howards defense

    Until Howard proves he can actually be a legit #1 scoring threat, or can rebound and defend his way to a championship as a #1 scorer that isnt a considerable scoring threat (something that only Bill Russell has been able to accomplish, which happened in an era where he by far had the most stacked team in the league, and overall compe ion was complete ), there is no legit argument that exists that Howard > Dirk. I have said that before Dirk won it all, and believe it 100x more now that Dirk did win it all.
    People forget that. Sure it's easier to win with a dominant big man, but David could not win without Duncan, Kareem needed Oscar and Magic, Shaq needed Kobe and wade ...

    But flipside Dirk did not win without Tyson anchoring the defense either, le teams usually have both.

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    , so now we can assume Dirk was good enough and a "main guy" all those year with massive playoff failures, but "you don't know that about Dwight yet" because he hasn't won.

    So like I said, Mav fan is saying Dirk wasn't legit before this year.
    this isn't a new concept. winning a ring changes your entire legacy.

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    Hedo and Rashard = stacked.

    But Josh Howard in his career years and Terry = Not enough

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    this isn't a new concept. winning a ring changes your entire legacy.
    I didn't debate that, I said that before he won a ring, he wasn't a legit main man by Mav fan logic.

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    He led them in points, rebounds, blocks, FG% and every advanced stat possible, in the playoffs, what else do you want?..

    Dirk's 2011 playoff performance >> Howard's 2009 playoff performance, but Howard legitimately led a team to the Finals, this is a fact..both guys received a lot of help from 3-point shooters, both teams were defensive teams that relied on the outside jump shot..

    Nowitzki is the clutchest player in the NBA, but we have reached a point where a lot of NBA fans are of the belief that clutch play is the only proper assessment of evaluating the worth of an NBA superstar..

    Howard's offensive repertoire is much improved from 2009, this is not the same player that couldn't dominate Pau Gasol..

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    Hedo and Rashard = stacked.

    But Josh Howard in his career years and Terry = Not enough
    Yeah I forgot it was Josh Howard who made the 3 point play to force an overtime in Game 7 vs SA.

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    All I know is Hedo & Shard's 17 PPG Playoff AVG in their le run was a lot more than Terry & Josh's 17 PPG Playoff AVG in their le run.

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    I didn't debate that, I said that before he won a ring, he wasn't a legit main man by Mav fan logic.
    You aren't good enough to win one until you do. Then you are and always have been. I'm not saying it's right, just saying that's how it is.

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    moping

    Fap fap fap

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    All I know is Hedo & Shard's 17 PPG Playoff AVG in their le run was a lot more than Terry & Josh's 17 PPG Playoff AVG in their le run.
    hey where's that youtube video of Dwight Howard hitting a clutch shot to help win a series! oh wait

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    He led them in points, rebounds, blocks, FG% and every advanced stat possible, in the playoffs, what else do you want?..

    Dirk's 2011 playoff performance >> Howard's 2009 playoff performance, but Howard legitimately led a team to the Finals, this is a fact..both guys received a lot of help from 3-point shooters, both teams were defensive teams that relied on the outside jump shot..

    Nowitzki is the clutchest player in the NBA, but we have reached a point where a lot of NBA fans are of the belief that clutch play is the only proper assessment of evaluating the worth of an NBA superstar..
    I agree that the his run was pretty amazing, but Howard led some fairly marginal stars to the Finals. By comparison the Mavs were stacked. Dont get me wrong, Terry is not a stud#2 but offensively (scoring) he is more reliable than Hedo or Rashard TBH ... Howard was a beast thoseplayoffs when not in foul trouble ...especially on defense offense? meh

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    tbh why does that gif say "Josh" when he's butt ing Demarcus Cousins?

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    Also, Dirk, at best is a slightly below average defender. So saying:

    Howards offense > Dirks defense

    but

    Dirks offense >>> Howards defense

    Is re ed unless you are saying averaging 23PPG on 60% shooting is slightly below average.

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    hey where's that youtube video of Dwight Howard hitting a clutch shot to help win a series! oh wait
    Hey that was relevant to that post.

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    Also, Dirk, at best is a slightly below average defender. So saying:

    Howards offense > Dirks defense

    but

    Dirks offense >>> Howards defense

    Is re ed unless you are saying averaging 23PPG on 60% shooting is slightly below average.
    alley-oops, an NBA crunch time move for decades.

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    Also, Dirk, at best is a slightly below average defender. So saying:

    Howards offense > Dirks defense

    but

    Dirks offense >>> Howards defense

    Is re ed unless you are saying averaging 23PPG on 60% shooting is slightly below average.
    Don't side with DPG a lot, but he has a point here ....

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    I don't know what you guys are arguing about, Dirk is obviously a main guy because he won the championship as a main guy with a roster nobody thought he could win with. I know we were all hard on Dirk after the failures but it was a bit unfair and now there is nothing you can take away from the guy. Probably rightfully should have another ring in 06, too. I was wrong about Dirk but being wrong isn't something anyone here can or will ever fess up to, that's just Spurstalk.
    tbh being wrong bout dem Mavs is enough to get some people all butthurt anytime Dirk's name is brought up now.

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    alley-oops, an NBA crunch time move for decades.
    That was true in most of 2009 but he started umproving on offrense that year and has gotten better in the post and increased his range the past two years.

    Sure, he still needs work. But Dwight is narrowing a gap on offense that Dirk has no chance of closing on defense ....

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