Can we actually talk basketball instead of krew fapping?

[Monostradamus]

Okay, here's another one from this list:

http://nba-point-forward.si.com/2011...ers-nos-11-20/

True or False: Carmelo Anthony is the 20th-best player in basketball. There's 19 guys better than him.

From what I see in that article, I'd say putting Nash and Manu ahead of him is completely obtuse, Pierce/KG ahead of him is a joke as well, and the rest are at least debatable, but I'd still put Carmelo ahead of them (except maybe Amare and Griffin).

Why is it that everybody knee-jerks about everything in basketball? Was Carmelo overrated when people called him a top 5 player? Yes, absolutely. But now to have him barely make a top 20 list?

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, so now we can assume Dirk was good enough and a "main guy" all those year with massive playoff failures, but "you don't know that about Dwight yet" because he hasn't won.

completely different situations for both

dirk was out there balling his ass off, being a complete matchup nightmare for the other team, getting constantly doubled and tripled and still finding ways to kick teams asses. his playoff stats after the Golden State series have been tremendously great.

Dwight on the other hand, got shut down in the finals by ing Pau Gasol, and also got his ass kicked by Gasol trying to defend him as well.

Neither guy had great supporting casts, but the difference is, Dirk was completely dominant even when losing his series. But Dwight would noticably shrink away. This past year is the first year it seems like he legitimately worked on his offensive game, and it definitely showed, but he still has a lot of work to do. He still relies too much on putbacks and alley-oops for points, as opposed to creating his own offense, or creating for his teammates. He has a poor assist-to-turnover ratio, and many times looks completely befuddled when getting doubled in the post, not knowing where the to pass the ball, despite being surrounded by great 3pt shooters.

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its hilarious how much blood has been seeping out of DPGs ass on a daily basis ever since the Mavs started to make a serious push for the le this year while the Spurs got their asses kicked in the first round, after DPG said about 10000000000x times that the Spurs would get farther than the Mavs, and insisted anyone who disagreed with him has a ing mental disorder. now he has to reach and say that alley-oop catching is a great clutch move and is proof that Dwight Howard is an unstoppable scorer that is superior to Dirk as a basketball player.

[Venti Quattro]

now he has to reach and say that alley-oop catching is a great clutch move and is proof that Dwight Howard is an unstoppable scorer that is superior to Dirk as a basketball player.

Where the did he say this?

lol sorry too lazy to backread

crofl backreading

[Venti Quattro]

In other news, Blake Griffin has interned for Funny or Die.

[Axe Murderer]

Howard has a good post game. Not sure why people are calling him an alley oop machine. I can't think of many guys in the NBA that have a better post game then him.

I think we were all just spoiled by Duncan and Shaq who are once in a lifetime players

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Howard has a good post game. Not sure why people are calling him an alley oop machine. I can't think of many guys in the NBA that have a better post game then him.

I think we were all just spoiled by Duncan and Shaq who are once in a lifetime players

not saying he doesnt have a good post game, but its still not reliable against elite defenses in crunchtime. when good defensive teams want to, they can turn him into a nearly ineffective offensive player without too much trouble. can't say the same about Dirk, and havent been able to ever since the GS series. he did a great job after that series of developing more versatility to his offensive game and learning how to set up his teammates with easy basket opportunities when he draws heavy defensive attentions. unfortunately, until this year, he didnt have teammates that would step up and make those plays when they were there for them.

about the only thing Dwight can do for his teammates is draw a double and toss it out for a 3-pt shot, but half the time he ends up turning it over, or not making the right pass. he is still needing to develop that aspect of his game.

[Monostradamus]

I can't think of many guys in the NBA that have a better post game then him.

Really? I can name a whole lot.

Gasol
Gasol
Bynum
Lopez
Jefferson
Randolph
Duncan
Dirk
Aldridge
Scola
Brand
Odom
Cousins
Bogut

probably can think of a few more too.

[Monostradamus]

not traditional post players but Kobe and Billups both have far more polished post games than Howard. Carmelo too.

[lefty]

I hate Howard's game

Overrated POS

[LnGrrrR]

I just can't choose Dwight because he breaks down mentally at times. He picks up stupid technicals, and pretty much acts like a 15 year old on the court when he doesn't get a call he likes.

[pass1st]

If D12 keeps improving and this isn't his prime, he has the potential to be better than Dirk when all is said and done. At any rate, D12 has much better defense while Dirk has much better offense. Dirk depends more on skill, D12 depends mainly on athleticism.

Skill = Dirk
Potential = D12

Dirk is better now, but if Dwight can at least develop footwork and conduct his game more professionally (get less technicals, etc) then it will be a good argument.

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If D12 keeps improving and this isn't his prime, he has the athleticism to possibly be better than Dirk when all is said and done. At any rate, D12 has much better defense while Dirk has much better offense. Dirk depends more on skill, D12 depends mainly on athleticism.

Skill = Dirk
Athleticism= D12

Dirk is better now, but if Dwight can at least develop footwork and conduct his game more professionally (get less technicals, etc) then it will be a good argument.

fify

[TE]

Dwight Howard's athleticism gets the best of him.

[DPG21920]

Lmao Stretch making up about what I said and calling me butt hurt randomly. I never dog anyone without stating why and just because it doesn't work out doesn't mean the logic wasn't sound.

I have been far from butthurt.

[DPG21920]

good point

Howard hasn't even won a le, so how can someone say that he doesn't need a legit wing player at his side to win a le, something that virtually every dominant center in history has needed in order to win a le?

And for s sake, Howard got his ass handed to him by Pau ing Gasol. Even Dirk doesnt let Gasol do jack on him, and we are led to believe that Howards defense = or > Dirks offense??? GMAFB

Howards offense > Dirks defense

but

Dirks offense >>> Howards defense

Until Howard proves he can actually be a legit #1 scoring threat, or can rebound and defend his way to a championship as a #1 scorer that isnt a considerable scoring threat (something that only Bill Russell has been able to accomplish, which happened in an era where he by far had the most stacked team in the league, and overall compe ion was complete ), there is no legit argument that exists that Howard > Dirk. I have said that before Dirk won it all, and believe it 100x more now that Dirk did win it all.

Also, Dirk, at best is a slightly below average defender. So saying:

Howards offense > Dirks defense

but

Dirks offense >>> Howards defense

Is re ed unless you are saying averaging 23PPG on 60% shooting is slightly below average.

I guess that makes you butthurt

[Jose Canseco]

Dwight made tremendous strides with his post game this past season, but I still think he has a long way to go to becoming a consistent and dependable post scorer, especially late in games against quality defense. And being a good post scorer in today's NBA doesn't say much as low post scoring is a lost art now with very few really good post scorers left in the league. Part of Dwight's problem is he is top heavy. For all his upper body strength and athleticism, he doesn't have the Barkley or Shaq backside to really root out post defenders for great position.

Plus his moves are still rather rudimentary. You'll see Dwight make a couple fancy moves that actually impress you and then he'll come back down five feet away from the basket and throw a hook that will hit the top of the backboard and miss the rim completely. His touch around the rim is still very much suspect.

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[mavs>spurs]

not saying he doesnt have a good post game, but its still not reliable against elite defenses in crunchtime. when good defensive teams want to, they can turn him into a nearly ineffective offensive player without too much trouble. can't say the same about Dirk, and havent been able to ever since the GS series. he did a great job after that series of developing more versatility to his offensive game and learning how to set up his teammates with easy basket opportunities when he draws heavy defensive attentions. unfortunately, until this year, he didnt have teammates that would step up and make those plays when they were there for them.

about the only thing Dwight can do for his teammates is draw a double and toss it out for a 3-pt shot, but half the time he ends up turning it over, or not making the right pass. he is still needing to develop that aspect of his game.

DH plays fine offensively at the low post tbh averaging 23pts or , but its obvious that DH could've done better w/ such excellent athleticism he has. just like we say dirk could have rebounded better when he's 7ft tall but only gets 7reb per game. if DH had a similar level of offensive ability as TD he would've dominate da out of the league quite easily

[Tradition]

No, I wouldn't trade Lebron for Howard. The Heat will be ok once Lebron comes back with a post game and once Miami stuffs up on that humble pie and adds a center.

They were very disrespectful to the league and to the game this season. The 2 wins away saying is bull . The 08 Lakers were 2 wins away as well. they were 1 half away from being in position of winning that series.

It doesn't matter how close you get, there are no moral victories in a championship round.They lost in the finals which now cuts their window down to 2 years(it will be down to 1 year if the season gets cancelled). Wade is going to decline rapidly by then. He will have lost his athleticism and will be very injury prone and limited.

[HarlemHeat37]

I understand the overall premise of your post, but the 2008 Lakers were 2 wins away, which meant they were close to a le, by definition and by logic..how did they respond to the Finals loss?..they won 2 les in a row..they were clearly the best team in their conference, they weren't too far from a le, and they were in a similar position, where they had very little compe ion, throughout the league, in the following years, in regards to other dominant teams..

The Heat were 2 wins away, despite all of the flaws that can be realistically fixed, in a league that currently lacks a dominant team(also, even lacking "up and coming" dominant teams, as OKC and the Bulls are significantly more flawed than Miami)..teams like the Celtics and Lakers are clearly on the decline..

[HarlemHeat37]

As for Howard, he actually created more offense for himself than Dirk, Gasol, Bynum, Odom, Blake Griffin, Gasol, Bosh, West, Aldridge, Duncan, Garnett, Al Jefferson, and virtually any other competent big man..

Statistically, the only two big men to create more offense for themselves, this season, were Zach Randolph and Amare Stoudemire..

Another note on Howard..his jump shot % from 10 feet out until the 3-point line has improved by 20%, since his rookie season..he shot 37% from that range this season, 40% from 10-15 feet, which is actually very solid for a guy of his build, and considering his previous limitations..

[Tradition]

I understand the overall premise of your post, but the 2008 Lakers were 2 wins away, which meant they were close to a le, by definition and by logic..how did they respond to the Finals loss?..they won 2 les in a row..they were clearly the best team in their conference, they weren't too far from a le, and they were in a similar position, where they had very little compe ion, throughout the league, in the following years, in regards to other dominant teams..

The Heat were 2 wins away, despite all of the flaws that can be realistically fixed, in a league that currently lacks a dominant team(also, even lacking "up and coming" dominant teams, as OKC and the Bulls are significantly more flawed than Miami)..teams like the Celtics and Lakers are clearly on the decline..

WTF are you doing back? I thought you were gone from these boards if Miami failed?

[FkLA]

mavfans' (with the exception of the godfather) takes are hilarious, its funny how much these s worship dirk

[FkLA]

Funny how Howard's lack of a polished offensive game is at the center of their argument while Dirk's defense gets swept under the rug.

Only a complete idiot/dirk fanboy would take Dirk over Dwight. A championship doesnt change that. Dirk's great offensive game doesnt change that. You dont take a great offensive player over a player putting up 23 ppg while simultaneously being the biggest defensive force in the league. Its much easier to build around Dwight then it was around Dirk, Otis Smith just happens to be an idiot.