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I'm open-minded to that possibility
Yet, the biggest problem to learning is classroom discipline.
Fix the root problems first.
I'm open-minded to that possibility
I disagree, i think the best way to make schools work again is to teach them things that not all things involve an imaginary man in the sky. If that entails corporal punishment for parent who do so, so be it.
You could bring back corporal punishment, but we'd still have fools running around talking about how dinosaur and humans were once living together in harmony.
Not really. Classroom discipline is a symptom, not a cause. You're not addressing the root problem by busting kid's asses.
BTW, as an ex teacher of 10 years, I see a use for corporal punishment, but at the same time, I've seen it used incredibly poorly over the years.
Corporal punishment is the excuse du jour... I'm sure when they came up with this idea of cops, tickets and courts for kids they also thought it was going to work real well. Until it's abused, then you're back at the drawing board.
No punishment is going to work as long as the kids' parents don't give a what they do.
. Used to be if someone got in trouble at school, he or she got in even more trouble at home. Now if a kid gets in trouble at school, the parent comes and yells at the school.
OK, the root problem is the parents not teaching their children how to behave. Is that right?
Now I stick to my original statement as for being the root problem within the school. I will maintain that if schools could use effective discipline, so many problems would go away.
This is true. It goes back to my remnarks in other threads that the problems are in the social groups kids grow up in. Friends, family, community...
Well, there are so many more examples of the parents having the right to be pissed, with these zero tolerance rules. But yes, there are parents who do cause a ruckus for the wrong things.
Which is one of the real reason they need cops in schools.....schools are not only teaching kids curriculum ....without responsible parents to set examples at home, schools teach kids how to be responsible functioning adults, and that's worth everything to society....
If the kid is acting up so much that he gets a ticket its more of a wake-up call to mom and dad that this kid needs some sort of help....its too easy for parents to ignore the kids problems otherwise and dump them on the school...
If things are that bad, shouldn't the parents be charged for child abuse?
Ha! Are you serious? Your serious,right?
Look at lesser things that parents get charged for abuse over...
OK, maybe not abuse. How about contributing to the delinquency of a minor?
a lot of these kids are being raised by grandma and grandpa because mom and dad are hooked on drugs or in prison...now you wanna charge granny too?
although I agree that legal guardians have to be better examples for their kids, but that's a matter of adult education classes, not fines and prison...
WC, the anti-authoritarian, thinks that we should authorize corporal punishment for schools.
You're a weird libertarian.
Just because I'm not an anarchist?
No, because you're a poor libertarian. You support authority in areas where you willfully ignore the arguments against it (for instance, in this case, teachers hitting children too forcefully, teachers hitting children instead of verbally warning them, etc etc). If you support a cause, you are more than willing to assign authority to figures without thinking through the drawbacks.
You do it in other areas as well, such as torture.
Edit: In your view, anyone that doesn't support something you agree with is either an anarchist, or a socialist. Only you have the secret to giving everyone the right amount of authority they need, and you trust that everyone whom you choose to give to authority to will use it in only the most just way they can.
LOL...
You don't even try to understand my viewpoint.
lol @ you having a viewpoint
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