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Y.H., bringing the mutha in goods
hard to say who's the better player imho, they are both great players but kobe just got a bit of luck to play on a contending team and hence achieved bags of honors
Not only Kobe fans think kobe is better then t-mac, yao fans think the same and more. e fans just did their utmost to demean t-mac and to enamor that 7'6 jinx, and when the team lost in the playoffs they shed all criticism on t-mac and fellow s so e could come out criticism-free
Y.H., bringing the mutha in goods
you ing guys are a laughing riot I tell ya...
Tmac was a facade...he basically had maybe 2 good years tops...
now this cat played in the Leastern Conference for most of his career...this matters most when comparing records...he had it easy over there he didn't play in a stacked western conference where for many years the conference finals was considered the defacto Championship...The West is where the action was...Kobe was grinding it out while T-Mac was playing in a soft cake conference putting up numbers...No real battles....
now with my brilliant poker move I will allow Spur fan to lay on their swords...were the Spurs not contributors to a tough western conference or not....and by virtue of this did Kobe not have a tougher road than TMAC...did Kobe not face tougher defenders night in and out...those tough Portland teams, Chris Webber led Kings, Spurs, stacked Suns team, The Mavs, even Utah and Denver...all the while in the eastern conference you literally be 10-15 games under .500 and still make the play-offs... puhlease gots...Kobe proved his superiority over Tmac...
don't make a Kool bust out the ing tapes
lol at people who don't remember TMac when he was ballin'.
That mother er was Iverson on steroids, and many here don't remember AI when he was on top of his game either.
lol at you posting 1000 words to defend Kobe over TMac. The OP already beat you.you ing guys are a laughing riot I tell ya...
Tmac was a facade...he basically had maybe 2 good years tops...
now this cat played in the Leastern Conference for most of his career...this matters most when comparing records...he had it easy over there he didn't play in a stacked western conference where for many years the conference finals was considered the defacto Championship...The West is where the action was...Kobe was grinding it out while T-Mac was playing in a soft cake conference putting up numbers...No real battles....
now with my brilliant poker move I will allow Spur fan to lay on their swords...were the Spurs not contributors to a tough western conference or not....
don't make a Kool bust out the ing tapes
unless the Op is a with big ass s, a hot split, round ass and blondy locks..then no he didn't "beat" me...
But you like tender loving . You said so yourself.unless the Op is a with big ass s, a hot split, round ass and blondy locks..then no he didn't "beat" me...
So you've been trolled into a froth. Simmer.
I hate Kobe with a passion, but even I would take him over McGrady. In any time, era, whatever. McGrady is nothing but empty stats. He's never won a playoff series for christ sake.
No single player ever won a playoff series in the NBA. Kobe couldn't do it without a team around him either.
A chucker is a chucker...
MADyou ing guys are a laughing riot I tell ya...
Tmac was a facade...he basically had maybe 2 good years tops...
now this cat played in the Leastern Conference for most of his career...this matters most when comparing records...he had it easy over there he didn't play in a stacked western conference where for many years the conference finals was considered the defacto Championship...The West is where the action was...Kobe was grinding it out while T-Mac was playing in a soft cake conference putting up numbers...No real battles....
now with my brilliant poker move I will allow Spur fan to lay on their swords...were the Spurs not contributors to a tough western conference or not....
don't make a Kool bust out the ing tapes
McGrady had Yao Ming, a dominant post player. And I'm not even talking about deep playoff runs here, I'm talking about winning ONE round. He's NEVER done it. To me, that's the epitome of overrated.
Lol when did McGrady have Yao? Yao was ineffective BOTH times they actually stayed health enough to play together in the playoffs
Yao 2005 playoffs: 21.4 PPG, 7.7 RPG
Yao 2007 playoffs: 25.1 PPG, 10.3 RPG
Yao wasn't Shaquille O'Neal or Tim Duncan in their primes. But he wasn't exactly Chris Mihm or Erick Dampier either.
Yeah and in 2005 (Tmac's last year as an upper tier wing) after Yao Ming, who was the 3rd option?
Mike James.
T-Mac still put up 25/5/6 in 2006-07, played 71 games, had a healthy Yao for the playoffs, and homecourt advantage in that first round. T-Mac was still an elite wing player in 2007. 2nd team all NBA, all star, and finished 6th in MVP voting.
But he still wasn't the player he was in Orlando after the '06 injuries.
Anyhow, Tmac had a very strong Game 7, as did Yao, but the Jazz were simply deeper and more talented. I guess the knock on him in that series is that he never took over a road game. He was flat out awful in Utah.
Cry me a gotdam river.....cry me a river...I don't give a bout his knees he simply couldn't keep up Tha Kobster....
Can you dig it......
Maybe I'm remembering this wrong (I'm honestly not sure) but didn't Yao fall apart in game 7 against Utah? Not saying T-Mac doesn't get any blame, but I remember Yao getting shat on by Boozer during several crucial moments in that game 7.
And yeah T-Mac was still an elite player in 07 but he wasn't prime T-Mac. After the 2005 season he never had the same ridiculous athleticism and explosiveness he had up until that point.
I'd say T-Mac at his peak isn't far from Kobe, but the difference is Kobe played at that high level for 10+ years. Vince Carter at his best, T-Mac at his best, etc., are comparable to Kobe, but their best only lasted for a few years and it was never on a team that made a deep playoff run. No matter how good a player is, if his best years are on a mediocre team it hurts his legacy. 3 years right in the middle of Kobe's prime being on a bad team undoubtedly hurt his legacy.
Yeah, Boozer wrecked him that game. Yao still had a very respectable 29 points, but only 6 boards, which is unacceptable in a game of that magnitude for someone who is 7 foot 6 against a relatively weak defensive frontline of Boozer and Okur.
Exactly. Even though T-mac deserves some blame, you'll never see any Yaofans admit the real truth.
Actually I'm looking at the play-by-play of that game and T-Mac ed up as much as Yao. They were up by 5 with 6 minutes left and everyone on that team including T-Mac fell apart.
However all the offensive rebounds Utah got at the end of that game fall on Yao, and an underlying problem still was that players like Juwan Howard were playing crucial minutes because of how bad Houston's role players were.
Could be true. I personally don't recall. I was just responding to the claim that T-Mac was no longer an "upper tier wing" after the 2005 season. He still put up the numbers and got awards that would clearly still make him an upper tier wing after the 2005 season. Certainly not a prime T-Mac, but when you're an all star, an all NBA performer, and finish 6th in MVP voting, I don't think someone can argue he was no longer an upper tier wing.
Yeah, Juwan, Alston, Mike James,
I could give 2 s yo.... wasn't as good as the Kobster
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