Soccer is completely a team game. You're reciting all things that have been accomplished by Barcelona and not by Messi himself. Ronaldo is better in all facets of the game, particularly in the air. Do you think if Ronaldo's TEAM had won, that Messi would be collecting any trophies? Of course not.Gaynaldo borderline second best (behind Messi)
It's like Derrick Rose collecting the MVP trophy, when everyone knows LeBron is the best player in the league.
Now it's a team game... but to trashtalk Messi his national TEAM failures are his fault.....sure, you're so credible.... don't be so butthurt idiot, maybe in the next life your Cristina can be better than Messi, for now CR3 is nothing more than the first loser.
Messi is simply the younger, quicker and far superior player. Better team player, better one on one player, better court vision and assist man.
BTW, Messi scored (again) today and fetched more hardware...
So football is a team game, then why is Ronaldo trying to shoot everytime for Real Madrid?
First of this being mainly a basketball forum it's normal that terms used when talking about basketball are used in other sports, but the notion of "one player to build around" it's not even applicable to football as it is to basketball. That means no teams are build from scratch around one player, they just try to pick the best possible for each position, so it's not even worth having this discussion.
Now as far as both players skills it's always complicated to compare players from different positions but I'll say this, I can't think of a single technical attribute aside from pass accuracy where Xavi is better than Ronaldo. I mean dribbling, shooting, pace, strength, anything to make your case? Ofc he has better court vision and decision making than Ronaldo, he's a bloody centre midfielder and 95 % of his decisions are a 10 yards pass to Iniesta.
Further more there are several players in the centre midfield position with a similar skill level as Xavi even in is own team, while there's is only one wing/forward player better than Ronaldo in the entire world and that's Messi.
In short Messi > Ronaldo it's obvious. Xavi > Ronaldo it's just hating.
As a Kobe Bryant fan you should sympathise with him tbh.
you could argue that denilson was a better athlete and more skilled than cruyff, maradona, romario, I could go on and on. being athletic and skilled with the ball is meaningless if you dont know how to play in a (winning) team. even less if you are mentally weak. ronaldo is better than denilson, thats not what im saying. but I'm not sure if he is better than xavi, and unlike DAF I dont consider xavi to be one of the greatest players of all time. Ronaldo scores a lot of goals, but he is also soft, one dimensional, and a ballhog. if I were a manager I wouldnt even consider paying his transfer because it is completely disproportionate to his value on the field.
denilson was fkn , his only good on those stupid nike watever footwear brand he was advertisin on tv...other then that he showed nothing on the soccer field...
as for xavi and iniesta..both of these guys did play for big clubs b4 joinin barca and won all...both are overrated as ...if they were that good how come they didnt win anything b4 barca...
You do this in football since you're a little kid when the captains of the teams have to choose their teammates, they pick first who they think is the best available so no this isn't just a basketball thing.
Of course they're different and have different skillsets, but they're both football players and if I had to choose one to have on my team I would pick Xavi.Now as far as both players skills it's always complicated to compare players from different positions but I'll say this, I can't think of a single technical attribute aside from pass accuracy where Xavi is better than Ronaldo. I mean dribbling, shooting, pace, strength, anything to make your case? Ofc he has better court vision and decision making than Ronaldo, he's a bloody centre midfielder and 95 % of his decisions are a 10 yards pass to Iniesta.
And yes Ronaldo is better at all those things you said but Xavi is better at arguably the most important atributte of all: football IQ, this means always making the right play whether that play is a through ball, a shot, moving without the ball, pressing the oponent or a simple 5 metres pass. IMO Xavi is the best at this, better than Messi.
Maybe there are several similar to Xavi but nobody is better than him at his position imo.Further more there are several players in the centre midfield position with a similar skill level as Xavi even in is own team, while there's is only one wing/forward player better than Ronaldo in the entire world and that's Messi.
I think it's unfair to Xavi to say that him beign better than Ronalo is hating. I'm not hating on Ronaldo, I already said that I think he's a great player but to me Xavi is better and I don't think that's a wild thing to say seeing that in the last two votations for best player in the World Xavi ended ahead of Cristiano.In short Messi > Ronaldo it's obvious. Xavi > Ronaldo it's just hating.
Look, I could be here diminishing Messi's teammates atributes to make him look better but no, I call it like I see it and to me Xavi is the second best player in the World, I'm not hating on anyone.
Crofl WTF
Xavi and Iniesta played all their professional careers in Barcelona.
wtf lol
I was referring to the notion of building a team from scratch around one player. That can happen in the NBA where a transcendent player can transform a lottery team into a contender. In football if you are that good you'll end up in one of the better teams. There is much less that you can impact as an individual, even if you're the best player in the world, just look at Messi playing for your country national team.
As far as Xavi I just think it's a bit of a reach to ranking him at such a high standard seeing how he was never considered that good for most of his carrer. Was he at any point of his entire Barcelona career the best player on his own team, like let's say a similar position player like Gerrard in Liverpool, Lampard in Chelsea or even Fabregas in Arsenal?
Not saying those player are better but just putting things in perspective. I even have a hard time definitely ranking Xavi ahead of Iniesta.
Xavi is the best player at his position right now. He's not the kind of guy that was over the top as a kid (ie: Maradona, Messi, Ronaldo (not Gaynaldo), Rooney, Neymar, Kaka, Agüero, etc).
But that's not a knock, IMO. Some players eventually gain the experience and the knowledge of the game to be at the top. And that's exactly where he's at right now.
They also eventually fade out as years go on and the mul ude of games get on their legs. It's only natural. Right now there's no better attacking midfielder and assist man than Xavi, tbh. He's done it at every stage, including the World Cup.
Let's get this thread back on track, Messi anounced as the new captain for Argentina.
lol @ him not even being Captain up until now. Nice career.
whether his captain of argy doesnt really matter, what matters is the excuses he needs for the NT not winning that triphy thats still vacant in his cabinet....
4-0, Germany.
Muller = ball boy.
Maradona
But Cristina did make a magnificent technical goal in the most critical time for his team, against a super powerful team.
Ummmm... the keeper tripped him? lolBut Cristina did make a magnificent technical goal in the most critical time for his team, against a super powerful team.
Nobody cares about sloppy seconds Gaynaldo, tbh...
bull
imo him and iniesta are in a position of their club right time right place..
could they bring that over to a another club with the same performance and results?
both aint even in figo, zidane class yet
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