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    in addition to scoring and rebounding, duncan also played elite defence, unlike malone/barkley
    thats why he's got 4 championships, to their 0

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    in addition to scoring and rebounding, duncan also played elite defence, unlike malone/barkley
    thats why he's got 4 championships, to their 0

    3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense


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    no, thats stat is BS

    David Robinson is the 4th greatest of alltime according to that stat, lebron #2, wade #6 alltime, and Paul #8 alltime

    kareem, magic, kobe, bird, hakeem are not even top 10 in PER alltime
    Like any other stat, you have to use it in conjunction with common sense. Obviously Lebron and Chris Paul's stats are going to be inflated right now because their careers aren't over yet, so their sample size is still relatively small, while on the other hand, Kareem and Hakeem had lengthy careers, so their declining output at the twilight of their careers will lower their overall number.

    David Robinson is without a doubt a top ten regular season player of all-time, but that's ultimately meaningless when you constantly under perform in the post-season, as he did. As for Bird and Magic, one of PER's flaws is that it slightly undervalues assists, thus the lower number compared to other all-time greats.

    To me, PER is a much more effective way to measure a player's statistical impact than simply stating per game stats, primarily because it adjusts for pace. If it didn't, we'd be inclined to overrate too many players from faster paced, less defensive oriented eras.

    I don't understand why so many fans balk at PER. It simply takes into consideration all the box score stats people love to quote so much, adjusts them for pace, and spits out a number. There's nothing unfair or inconsistent about it, aside from slightly undervaluing assists, which some people (like DoK) might actually agree with. That said, I guess I understand why Kobe fans balk at it. He's still in the prime of his career, and his PER, both regular season and playoff, is very underwhelming when compared to some other all-time greats.

  4. #129
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense

    Regular season

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    3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense

    lol cherry picking

    i guess it means kobe>jordan because he never scored 81

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    Like any other stat, you have to use it in conjunction with common sense. Obviously Lebron and Chris Paul's stats are going to be inflated right now because their careers aren't over yet, so their sample size is still relatively small, while on the other hand, Kareem and Hakeem had lengthy careers, so their declining output at the twilight of their careers will lower their overall number.

    David Robinson is without a doubt a top ten regular season player of all-time, but that's ultimately meaningless when you constantly under perform in the post-season, as he did. As for Bird and Magic, one of PER's flaws is that it slightly undervalues assists, thus the lower number compared to other all-time greats.

    To me, PER is a much more effective way to measure a player's statistical impact than simply stating per game stats, primarily because it adjusts for pace. If it didn't, we'd be inclined to overrate too many players from faster paced, less defensive oriented eras.

    I don't understand why so many fans balk at PER. It simply takes into consideration all the box score stats people love to quote so much, adjusts them for pace, and spits out a number. There's nothing unfair or inconsistent about it, aside from slightly undervaluing assists, which some people (like DoK) might actually agree with. That said, I guess I understand why Kobe fans balk at it. He's still in the prime of his career, and his PER, both regular season and playoff, is very underwhelming when compared to some other all-time greats.

    Listen I can tell you why the Lakers got swept...but the real question is why did the an almost 70 win team lose to an 8th seed...they ing said they wanted to play you, tanked to play you and proceeded to kick your ass...

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    Listen I can tell you why the Lakers got swept...but the real question is why did the an almost 70 win team lose to an 8th seed...they ing said they wanted to play you, tanked to play you and proceeded to kick your ass...
    Only in your in' re ed negro brain is 61 wins "almost 70."

    And you got swept, because Kobe was garbage and Dirk got in that ass something fierce.

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    Only in your in' re ed negro brain is 61 wins "almost 70."

    And you got swept, because Kobe was garbage and Dirk got in that ass something fierce.

    Garbage... sure...look at Lebron who's in his prime and compare his finals avg to Kobe's avg vs dallas....

    You get my point...

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    Garbage... sure...look at Lebron who's in his prime and compare his finals avg to Kobe's avg vs dallas....

    You get my point...
    This isn't about Lebron. It's about Kobe. And the so called best player in the world, who your dumbass was convinced was going to dominate all that stood in his way between him and number 6, shouldn't be averaging 17 points on 40% shooting in the final two games of the series.

    Lol, Jason Kidd ate the Mamba whole. Didn't even chew. Just swallowed that er right up.

    Holla!


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    "almost 70"


  11. #136
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    Only in your in' re ed negro brain is 61 wins "almost 70."

    And you got swept, because Kobe was garbage and Dirk got in that ass something fierce.

    after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

    now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

    Kobe 6
    Timmy 4

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    The target was the Bulls record of 72 wins so yes they were closer to 70 than 50 so yes almost 70....it's just like Kobe scoring 81 compared to Wilt's record...so yes scoring 81 is almost 100...

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    after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

    now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

    Kobe 6
    Timmy 4
    Lol. "Not nearly the mileage." Yeah, Kobe having 2400 more regular season minutes (the equivalent of about 60 games) and 1200 more post-season minutes (about 30 games), is so much more mileage, about a season's worth in total! In addition, big men tend to wear down quicker and Duncan is 2 and half years older than Kobe.

    Seriously, no trolling here, why are you so in' stupid?

    And Terry didn't save . Sure, he had an amazing game 4, but that in' series was over anyhow. The Turtle getting in that ass just added insult to injury, like someone slapping your face with his after he got done wrecking your asshole.

    And don't give me that about "3 straight finals." What, professional athletes can't recover after a 4 month off-season? Oh, I know, they were "mentally" drained.

    Lakers just blew this year. Pau turned into a pussy, Derek Fisher is a corpse, Andrew Bynum showed off his s, and Kobe played like an over the hill Latrell Spreewell. No excuses necessary.
    Last edited by midnightpulp; 08-29-2011 at 09:08 PM.

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    the target was the bulls record of 72 wins so yes they were closer to 70 than 50 so yes almost 70....it's just like kobe scoring 81 compared to wilt's record...so yes scoring 81 is almost 100...
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    Barkley and Malone are clearly way better than Duncan.. Not even close..(This is all sarcasm by the way)

    That's bull . You are so ing off base that it would be laughable if it wasn't so disrespectful to Tim Duncan. You obviously have never watched TD play or maybe never even seen a game before. How can you say that Charles "fat pun" Barkley and Karl "Snailman" Malone are better. "way" better. LMAO at your stupid basketball knowledge. Dumbass.

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    after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

    now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

    Kobe 6
    Timmy 4
    Then aint it Kobe's fault for letting Terry go off b/c it's Kobe's job to guard Terry since he is the 2 guard. How can he be on the 1st team all defense but let his man do that?
    Last edited by BoricuaCJA; 08-29-2011 at 10:50 PM.

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    O really? How is it classy to call the dress code rules implemented by Stern "Re ed"...Tim Duncan is the first and only player that I know of to use such abusive and disrespectful language towards the rules of the nba...i mean come on dude..."Re ed" really...and you call that class
    Tim is the classiest PF to ever play the game. That's an indisputable fact.

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    sons the facts are the facts. except the clown part.

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    My goodness I'm glad I read through the pages of this thread. Seeing Koolaid and BR get eaten alive can really transform a ty day into a decent one. Mad props to midnight, good stuff.

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    3 times in the same game..now that's elite defense

    Hilarious, showing a blatant goaltending 'block'.

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    after 3 straight trips to the finals + an Olympics...what's Timmy's excuse...He came into the league after Kobe and doesn't have nearly the mileage yet he's caput...

    now as for Dirk...he didn't beat LA it was Terry going off for 3's...Kobe will never lose at the hands of solely a white boy...you guys should be thanking Turtle Terry for the time being he saved it from being

    Kobe 6
    Timmy 4
    Was this post made before the Playoffs?

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    Was this post made before the Playoffs?
    no hes just re ed

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    The target was the Bulls record of 72 wins so yes they were closer to 70 than 50 so yes almost 70....it's just like Kobe scoring 81 compared to Wilt's record...so yes scoring 81 is almost 100...

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    TBH, I'm not sure why BRHornet is a free agent that hasn't been courted by either of the "Krewes".

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    TBH, I'm not sure why BRHornet is a free agent that hasn't been courted by either of the "Krewes".
    Each krew has to have a village idiot

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