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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    tbh, I took the 'class of it's own' to mean 'the new sub $200 tablet market' class type of thing. Manny can correct me if I misunderstood.
    Yes, you did misunderstand but considering the entire situation was both of arguing two different things, whatever. Its just semantics in any event. The bottom line to my point was that people weren't comparing it against the iPad when deciding to purchase. You said you didn't dispute that so I figured even if you didn't acknowledge it being a class of its own you acknowledged the point.

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    They should've just taken Android. Instead of paying people to develop WebOS, pay some people to port Android. It's ing open source, all you have to develop are the drivers.

    You just have to wonder what were they thinking.

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    Yes, you did misunderstand but considering the entire situation was both of arguing two different things, whatever. Its just semantics in any event. The bottom line to my point was that people weren't comparing it against the iPad when deciding to purchase. You said you didn't dispute that so I figured even if you didn't acknowledge it being a class of its own you acknowledged the point.
    Okay. The point I was making is that we're not going to see a $100 tablet market with that kind of hardware in the foreseeable future (maybe the next 3 years or so). The costs just don't add up.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    Its probably hubris. Everyone wants to develop their own system like Apple because you get to make so much money from it and in the end thats where the REAL money is.

    Amazon is the one who sounds like their doing things right. They have so much more pull beyond hardware than HTC/Samsung/Asus etc so they can afford to go the android route and still focus on making their money on the back end.

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    Agreed. Apps is where the money is at.

    That said, Amazon is getting a backlash from devs, and I think what they're doing is a disservice to Android. But that's another topic for another thread.

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    They should've just taken Android. Instead of paying people to develop WebOS, pay some people to port Android. It's ing open source, all you have to develop are the drivers.

    You just have to wonder what were they thinking.
    they didn't pay anyone to develop it they got it when they bought palm

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    they didn't pay anyone to develop it they got it when they bought palm
    thanks, I forgot about that.

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    HP is a horrible manufacturer and anyone who's in the business of technology knows this...

    What is equally unsurprising is that Apple fanboys are trumpeting the iPad over the HP tablet like it's some great victory. Seriously? This is what you want the iPad to compare itself to? The cheapest tablet on the market?
    no one is denying the fact that HP sucks and has sucked forever...

    plus, what "apple fanboys" are comparing the TP to the IPAD? i was simply stating that comparison was made by HP to begin with, you "microsoft fanboys" went and tried to flip it as if us ipad owners give a damn about comparing our tablet with that tablet.


    When someone buys one at 100 its not because they think its better than the iPad...
    i beg to differ... i believe you bought it hoping it could somewhat compete and at $100 it was a no-brainer to test the waters.


    you think there is a meaningful portion of people who are buying the touchpad for a reason other than the price, en? I'd say of course not.
    you're one of them.

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    e^(i*pi) + 1 = 0 MannyIsGod's Avatar
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    you're trying to tell me why I bought it is different than why I'm telling you I bought it? Lol nice.

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    you're trying to tell me why I bought it is different than why I'm telling you I bought it? Lol nice.
    you bought it because it was a cheap deal, i get it... that's why i shop at the $1 store every day and live in dumpsters.

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    plus, why get all happy here when you realized your purchase went through? i mean, it's only a $100 tablet...

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    here we go. Apple losing companies in the appstore. So their downfall begins. them

    Is Apple Being Too Greedy at the Apps Store as the FT Leaves It?
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...-ft-leaves-it/

    The Financial Times (think of it as the UK equivalent of the Wall Street Journal) has decided not to sell the mobile subscription to the paper through Apple’s App Store. For the technically minded, here’s how it now works:

    In a move to reduce its dependence on Apple and develop apps more quickly for rival tablet computers, the FT in June launched a Web-based version of its mobile app, the first of its kind by a major publisher.

    This allows readers to sign up on an FT website and then sign on any device, including the iPad and iPhone through Apple’s Safari browser.

    A shortcut can be installed on the device, giving an experience similar to using a native app custom-built for the smartphone or tablet being used.

    The secret is in the use of the open HTML 5 standard that can be used by any browser.

    Now those technical reasons do make some sense: instead of having to produce versions natively for the Apple OS, and Google’s Android, plus whatever other companies might put on phones or tablets (say Microsoft’s Windows Mobile) code and content can be write once and publish many on different platforms.

    However, it is thought that the real deal is to do with this:

    Apple has recently begun to insist that subscriptions to apps that it hosts must go through its own store, giving Apple ownership of valuable data about customers from those transactions, as well as a 30 percent cut of revenues.

    Subscriptions to something like the FT are very sticky indeed. If you work in the European financial markets you have to read it, simply have to. The FT would undoubtedly prefer not only to manage such subscriptions themselves but also not to have that subscriber base known to another company. And 30% is a steep chunk of what is going to be a pretty stable revenue stream.

    It might just be that the revenues from the App Store aren’t going to be as large as some currently think: the FT’s leaving it might be evidence that Apple is being too greedy, trying to get too large a cut of the action.

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    They should've just taken Android. Instead of paying people to develop WebOS, pay some people to port Android. It's ing open source, all you have to develop are the drivers.

    You just have to wonder what were they thinking.
    I have read that the physical tablet that is the Touchpad is actually the (previously announced, then retracted) android tablet that HP was going to produce before they bought palm... Then they just shoehorned WebOS onto it, which is why it doesn't have an advanced gestures area like the phones amongst other things. This is why it doesn't run as fast as it should on a 1.2 Ghz dual core / 1Gb ram tablet... They rushed it out without optimization (I mean they haven't even really taken advantage of that Adreno220 GPU as evidenced by the fact that all media playback is software based, not hardware accelerated.


    With all that being said, as one of the top two or three android cheerleaders on this board (CryHavoc is the clear number 1 - LOL), I really like this operating system and am a little surprised that Manny has such disdain for it.

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    I cannot grok its fullnes leemajors's Avatar
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    here we go. Apple losing companies in the appstore. So their downfall begins. them

    Is Apple Being Too Greedy at the Apps Store as the FT Leaves It?
    http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworst...-ft-leaves-it/

    The Financial Times (think of it as the UK equivalent of the Wall Street Journal) has decided not to sell the mobile subscription to the paper through Apple’s App Store. For the technically minded, here’s how it now works:

    In a move to reduce its dependence on Apple and develop apps more quickly for rival tablet computers, the FT in June launched a Web-based version of its mobile app, the first of its kind by a major publisher.

    This allows readers to sign up on an FT website and then sign on any device, including the iPad and iPhone through Apple’s Safari browser.

    A shortcut can be installed on the device, giving an experience similar to using a native app custom-built for the smartphone or tablet being used.

    The secret is in the use of the open HTML 5 standard that can be used by any browser.

    Now those technical reasons do make some sense: instead of having to produce versions natively for the Apple OS, and Google’s Android, plus whatever other companies might put on phones or tablets (say Microsoft’s Windows Mobile) code and content can be write once and publish many on different platforms.

    However, it is thought that the real deal is to do with this:

    Apple has recently begun to insist that subscriptions to apps that it hosts must go through its own store, giving Apple ownership of valuable data about customers from those transactions, as well as a 30 percent cut of revenues.

    Subscriptions to something like the FT are very sticky indeed. If you work in the European financial markets you have to read it, simply have to. The FT would undoubtedly prefer not only to manage such subscriptions themselves but also not to have that subscriber base known to another company. And 30% is a steep chunk of what is going to be a pretty stable revenue stream.

    It might just be that the revenues from the App Store aren’t going to be as large as some currently think: the FT’s leaving it might be evidence that Apple is being too greedy, trying to get too large a cut of the action.
    You're a bit late on the change in subscription policy.

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    lol Hater in self-ownage mode

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    financial times lol

    lol people that try to sell information that everyone else gives away for free

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    "The FT now has over 550,000 users of the web app, overtaking the number of users on all of its Apple apps combined, a spokeswoman for the publication said Wednesday."



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    lol hater

    Still trying to right his wrong lol

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    financial times lol

    lol people that try to sell information that everyone else gives away for free
    thats what the murdoch clowns tried to do down here and most of the media outlets online wanted to charge ppl for access to news sites...

    fck that just goto the govt funded news channel and read there crap...

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    did you read it at all?
    For the most part, they went and at first cops said no record of it and then later they said, oh yea we were there but didn't go in.

    What I miss? I was just about done crapping so I read it pretty fast. Yes I look at spurstalk on the tolit, what better place for all the tolit humor that goes on here now

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    http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Update....html?x=0&.v=1

    "However, SF Weekly, a San Francisco publication, confirmed Thursday that the San Francisco Police Department had no record of its officers or detectives participating in such a visit. It then tracked down one of the people who lived at the house, Sergio Calderon, who said that the people who came to his house said they were police officers.

    A phone number left with Calderon by one of the investigators belonged to Anthony Colon, who told SF Weekly he was an Apple employee in a phone conversation but declined to comment further. A LinkedIn (NYSE:LNKD - News) profile for Colon identifying himself as a former San Jose police officer and current “senior investigator” at Apple has been deleted.

    Apple employed private investigators in its search for an iPhone 4 that went missing last year, but was able to convince the Rapid Enforcement Allied Computer Team (REACT), a partnership of federal and California authorities, to do the actual searches of people linked to the investigation. Posing as police officers (and reportedly using the residents’ immigration status as a threat) in order to find a lost product would be a much bolder (and stupider) way of trying to locate a lost product.

    Apple has not commented on the report. A representative for the San Francisco Police Department said it would likely investigate the cir stances of the report after talking to Calderon.

    The iPhone 5 is expected to be formally unveiled sometime over the next several weeks.

    Updated 4:09 p.m. - The San Francisco Police Department has retracted its earlier claim that none of its officers were involved in the investigation, acknowledging that “three or four” plainclothes officers accompanied two Apple security investigators on the visit to Calderon’s home, according to a new story from SF Weekly. The officers did not enter Calderon’s house, however: the search was conducted by Apple employees, who did not identify themselves as police officers according to an updated statement from Calderon.

    Apparently no report was ever filed, which raises all sorts of new questions about the police department’s cooperation with Apple’s investigation. This story is likely not over."


    cops were not even uniformed and probably off the clock. They tried to cover it up and now it blew up in their faces.

    Apple

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    And you think google is proper with all that they do?

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    And you think google is proper with all that they do?
    What does Google have to do with what Apple just did?

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