One Regular Season MVP and this Clown is the next best guy after Jordan?

[Killakobe81]

I love how the woe is me small market spurs think the "flashy" SI is a better publication than SN ... which actually has more commentary from former players, coaches and scouts. Try reading one sometime ...a much better mag than SI ...real talk.

Much better football coverage than Peter King and his cronies give in SI same with bball ...

[DMC]

LOL shaq and duncan on defense would be comical who gonna defend pnr?

I don't know who pnr is.

Speak engrish son

Young TD and young Shaq on the floor at the same time = doom for any other team.

[DMC]

I love how the woe is me small market spurs think the "flashy" SI is a better publication than SN ... which actually has more commentary from former players, coaches and scouts. Try reading one sometime ...a much better mag than SI ...real talk.

Much better football coverage than Peter King and his cronies give in SI same with bball ...

That's just it though: for a small market player to get large media praise says a load more than the biggest market player getting the same praise.

Name one player in the last 30 years who's gotten the accolades TD has on a small market team, who's changed the fortunes of that team in such a profound manner.

[Killakobe81]

I don't know who pnr is.

Speak engrish son

Young TD and young Shaq on the floor at the same time = doom for any other team.

pnr = pick n role


No they would of never won 7 or 8 because shaq's ego is even bigger than Kobe's and he would of been crazy jealous of duncan. Nit every center is humble enough like David to cede his spotlight to a young Duncan ...ESPECIALLY Shaq.

If you think that would work for more than a season or two ... your ass don't know about shaq or basketball. Plus with duncan to do the big man work shaq would of been even more lazy on the boards and on defense ...

[Killakobe81]

only time two towers resulted in a le (meaning the two best players were bigs) in the last 30 years was when the Spurs won in 1999 ...

[DMC]

pnr = pick n role

Tim and Dave did ok.

No they would of never won 7 or 8 because shaq's ego is even bigger than Kobe's and he would of been crazy jealous of duncan. Nit every center is humble enough like David to cede his spotlight to a young Duncan ...ESPECIALLY Shaq.

Nah, it was all Kobe. I will take the head coach's word over your opinion based on some internet reading.

If you think that would work for mor ethan a season or two ... yor ass don't lknow about shaq or basketball. Plus with duncan to do the big man work shaq would of ben even more lazy on the boards and on defense ...

Shaq wanted touches. Duncan aint greedy, don't give a about stats. Shaq would eat that up.

You seem to have this mental little snow globe that you think you can shake and see the alternate futures, but you don't know Tim and you don't know Shaq, and most of all you don't know Phil Jackson. Phil could actually lead the team if Tim was on it, and Shaq and Tim get along great.

[midnightpulp]

Really? how so ...please enlighten us ...TC?

head2head? Nope.

Rings? Nope.

Points? Nope.

ASG starter selections? Nope well oops I forgot he is hiding at PF so myabe yes ...

Longer peak? Nope

Better prime? Nope

Lol head to head. Steve Nash is 2-1 head to head against Kobe. So what? Read my reply earlier in this thread about how I feel about head to head.

Lol All Star Game selections. Yao made the all star game when he was injured for the year.

Lol points. Why didn't you list rebounds, FG%, and blocks?

More rings but yet still behind on the Finals MVP count, which is an actual individual award.

Better prime? Prove it. Let's take a look at the playoff stats, shall we? Nope, don't see anything that suggests Kobe had a better "prime." Even when he was running wild in '01, the year all you Kobe homers love to refer to, Duncan's '99 and '03 playoff campaigns statistically stomp that run.

And remember:

"There's no diplomatic way to this: Tim Duncan's playoff performances run circles around Kobe Bryant's."

[midnightpulp]

Let's see, Spud Webb is a

better ball handler

more versatile defender

Better FT shooter

For his size the better rebounder

better dunker

better passer

better jumper

better midrange game

better in transition

than Shaquille O'Neal. Just because Kobe has more "skills," which I would expect a guard to have more of than a big, does not make him the better basketball player in a team context.

Oh, and you mean "watch the playoffs in 00-02" when Kobe was torching the likes of Danny Ferry, Steve Smith, Terry Porter, and Sean Elliott? And no, head2head playoff stats do not indicate Kobe has the better player "more times than not."

Here's their head-to-head numbers when they faced each other in the playoffs:

Duncan: 48%FG, 13rpg, 4.2apg, .73spg, 2.36bpg, 25.2ppg

Kobe: 47%fg, 5.3rpg, 4.6apg, 1.4spg, .23bpg, 27.2ppg

Sure, they split the categories 3 to 3, but Kobe homers often claim that "Kobe on Duncan," and in 2 of the 6 categories (rebounds and blocks), Duncan bests Kobe by 2 and 1/2 and 10 times, respectively. While Kobe only doubles up Duncan on steals.

Also, a Kobe Bryant led team has never beaten a prime Tim Duncan led team (we know Duncan wasn't in his prime in '08), while Duncan went through a prime Shaq and Kobe twice. That said, head to head matchups are meaningless to me. It's not like the two players in question were defending each other. Besides, when a team beats another team, it shouldn't be "Duncan beat Kobe" or "Jordan beat Magic," etc, etc. It should be "Team A beat Team B.

Real talk, I'm not Kobe hating. I just don't see any evidence that suggests he's been the better player than Duncan thus far. And I don't give a what the "analysts" and "media" say. Do I think he will eventually surpass Duncan? Probably. Duncan is pretty much a role player now, and Kobe still has 2 or 3 years left of elite level play.

Would like your reply to this, Killa.

[Killakobe81]

Lol head to head. Steve Nash is 2-1 head to head against Kobe. So what? Read my reply earlier in this thread about how I feel about head to head.

Lol All Star Game selections. Yao made the all star game when he was injured for the year.

Lol points. Why didn't you list rebounds, FG%, and blocks?

More rings but yet still behind on the Finals MVP count, which is an actual individual award.

Better prime? Prove it. Let's take a look at the playoff stats, shall we? Nope, don't see anything that suggests Kobe had a better "prime." Even when he was running wild in '01, the year all you Kobe homers love to refer to, Duncan's '99 and '03 playoff campaigns statistically stomp that run.

And remember:

"There's no diplomatic way to this: Tim Duncan's playoff performances run circles around Kobe Bryant's."

My point head2head watch those games screw the points ...just watch the games ... Kobe was better.

[DMC]

only time two towers resulted in a le (meaning the two best players were bigs) in the last 30 years was when the Spurs won in 1999 ...

Ok... what's your point? Dave wasn't even at full speed back then. Shaq and Tim back then would have destroyed the field. It would be easy to get shooting guards and PGs, they would want to be in LA. Who wouldn't want to play along side those bigs?

[Killakobe81]

Would like your reply to this, Killa.

Kobe is a ball hog but avaraged more assists ...

He won more series

He almost has the same FG%

Scored more points has a at least 2 game winners

But duncan was better?

LOL So Duncan was past his prime by 2008? I don't disagree but if that is the case ... so how can Duncan be player of the decade when his prime only includes 7 seasons of said decade?

while Kobe was in his prime for at least 8 of those and won les in half the seasons. You spur fans trying so hard to argue against Kobe but now you are bringing hard evidence gainst timmy ...

[DMC]

so how can Duncan be player of the decade when his prime only includes 7 seasons of said decade?

Because he's a bad mother er.

In his prime, he was the best in the league. That's 7 years. That equates to more than half the decade.

Who's been in their prime for 10 years? Kinda defeats the purpose of "prime", doesn't it?

[midnightpulp]

My point head2head watch those games screw the points ...just watch the games ... Kobe was better.

If you think Kobe outperformed Duncan in '99 and '03, you're out of your mind. And in '02 (yes, I know Kobe hit a game winner. Even though he shot like in that game, he still hit a game winner!) and '04, it was essentially a wash.

Kobe was magnificent in '01 and '08. He was a level above everybody else in those two series, just like Duncan was against the Lakers in '99 and '03.

[Killakobe81]

Because he's a bad mother er.

In his prime, he was the best in the league. That's 7 years. That equates to more than half the decade.

Who's been in their prime for 10 years? Kinda defeats the purpose of "prime", doesn't it?

LOL he was not the best for 7 years ...
1 season definitely
2 seasons probably
3 season strong maybe

Other than that ... LMFAO

[Killakobe81]

If you think Kobe outperformed Duncan in '99 and '03, you're out of your mind. And in '02 (yes, I know Kobe hit a game winner. Even though he shot like in that game, he still hit a game winner!) and '04, it was essentially a wash.

Kobe was magnificent in '01 and '08. He was a level above everybody else in those two series, just like Duncan was against the Lakers in '99 and '03.

Hey I don't wanna make it seem Im bashing Duncan so I will not continue here unless someone brings something new.

Duncan is a bad mo fo,
2nd best player of the last decade, (shaq was more dominant but faded fast)
GOAT PF ... (though really a center)

I would take him over every big I have seen EXCEPT: Hakeem and Kareem ...


SO despite Me thinking Kobe has a slight (but growing) edge on the alltime list, Duncan is a stud in my book.

[midnightpulp]

Kobe is a ball hog but avaraged more assists ...

He won more series

He almost has the same FG%

Scored more points has a at least 2 game winners

But duncan was better?

LOL So Duncan was past his prime by 2008? I don't disagree but if that is the case ... so how can Duncan be player of the decade when his prime only includes 7 seasons of said decade?

while Kobe was in his prime for at least 8 of those and won les in half the seasons. You spur fans trying so hard to argue against Kobe but now you are bringing hard evidence gainst timmy ...

When is one percent less "the same field goal" percentage? Lol.

And a guard averaged a whopping .4 more assists than a big man! Awesome! If anything, that stat should be in favor of Duncan, the whole "better for his size" re ed argument you came up with when comparing their rebounding.

"He" won more series? So he was out there playing by himself against the Spurs? In every series, even in '03, the Lakers were favored to win. So I don't see how Kobe beating the Spurs, or more accurately, the Lakers beating the Spurs, should work in favor of Kobe.

And yes, you can be the player of decade when your prime is 7 seasons, because remember:

"Tim Duncan's playoff performances run circles around Kobe Bryant's."

And this is backed up by cold hard stats, my man.

[DMC]

LOL he was not the best for 7 years ...
1 season definitely
2 seasons probably
3 season strong maybe

Other than that ... LMFAO

Guy has 2 regular season MVPs

He has 3 Finals MVPs

4 rings

Led the Spurs to being the winningest franchise in all of sports for the decade.

Tim Duncan has cemented his position as the best PF of all time.

Kobe will always be remembered for Colorado and being Shaq's sidekick, and for being another in the line of "not Jordan" players.

[midnightpulp]

Hey I don't wanna make it seem Im bashing Duncan so I will not continue here unless someone brings something new.

Duncan is a bad mo fo,
2nd best player of the last decade, (shaq was more dominant but faded fast)
GOAT PF ... (though really a center)

I would take him over every big I have seen EXCEPT: Hakeem and Kareem ...


SO despite Me thinking Kobe has a slight (but growing) edge on the alltime list, Duncan is a stud in my book.

It's cool, Killa. Just shooting the with you with some b-ball talk on a Friday night.

You know I've always endorsed you as a good poster, and when I do talk about Kobe, it's usually to irritate dumb s like Koolaid_Man.

[Killakobe81]

When is one percent less "the same field goal" percentage? Lol. And a guard averaged a whopping .4 more assists than a big man! Awesome! If anything, that stat should be in favor of Duncan, the whole "better for his size" re ed argument you came up with when comparing their rebounding.

"He" won more series? So he was out there playing by himself against the Spurs? In every series, even in '03, the Lakers were favored to win. So I don't see how Kobe beating the Spurs, or more accurately, the Lakers beating the Spurs, should work in favor of Kobe.

And yes, you can be the player of decade when your prime is 7 seasons, because remember:

"Tim Duncan's playoff performances run circles around Kobe Bryant's."

And this is backed up by cold hard stats, my man.

Learn to read ...

[midnightpulp]

Learn to read ...

Learn to respond to the argument in question instead of nitpicking trivial errors.

[Killakobe81]

It's cool, Killa. Just shooting the with you with some b-ball talk on a Friday night.

You know I've always endorsed you as a good poster, and when I do talk about Kobe, it's usually to irritate dumb s like Koolaid_Man.

All good Mid, Like i said in jest yesterday. To me the best analogy is Bird vs. Magic.

Magic has more rings but also more help (like Kobe)

Bird in his prime was more efficent, quiet less flashy (like Duncan) even though he is a talker like Kobe ...

Both are great you can make a case that either Kobe or Duncan was Player of the decade much like a case can be made for Bird or Magic in the 80's ...

[DMC]

All good Mid, Like i said in jest yesterday. To me the best analogy is Bird vs. Magic.

Magic has more rings but also more help (like Kobe)

Bird in his prime was more efficent, quiet less flashy (like Duncan) even though he is a talker like Kobe ...

Both are great you can make a case that wither Kobe or Duncan was Player of the decade much like a case can be made for Bird or Magic in the 80's ...

You could make a case for being female if you tucked your penis, but eventually the truth comes out.

Duncan is the best. That's my last offer.

[Jeff Leppard]

Don't Duncan and Bryant play two different positions and play completely different roles on their respective teams? All I know is, most people consider Duncan the best ever at his position while, unfortunately, Kobe is forever lodged behind the GOAT.


Duncan isn't a power forward

[ezau]

...

Kobe: 5

tired old bag Duncan: 4

I smell skunk

[ezau]

didnt say it was a "burn" my reply was meant to be stupid the fact, that you did not "get it" speaks to my intelligence, not yours. Sarcasm ...look it up.

And Mchale was great, just like Kobe and duncan. Spur fans are the ones that act like saying Kobe is better is some kind of "burn" on Timmy ...

Duncan is great just not as good as Kobe that is not an insult, just a fact. The fact that they are two of the best players ...if you that think duncan is better ...that is no insult either. You are wrong, but no insult. It's just like those that choose Bird over Magic, that is not an insult it's just not true.

Good post