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  1. #226
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    I got Mj, Wilt and Kareem ahead of Kobe as greater scorers. Kobes average shooting percentage is a direct result of his poor shot selection, which may be the worst of all time. You are wasting your time knocking his shooting percentage when Ray Allen shoots about the same percentage, yet gets credit for being the greatest shooter ever. Kobe has earned status of the greatest player of his era, and a top five spot all time. For years the establishment was against him, but now hes in his golden years and the fans and writers will honor him for his efforts.
    Fair enough.

    Oh, and where's my money?

  2. #227
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    You have Kobe as the 4th greatest scorer of all time in an argument predicated on stats? He is 14th all time in Career Playoffs PPG and that number will drop as he ages, meaning he's gonna end up behind Alex English, Dr. J, Paul Arizin, and a bunch of other guys. Career PPG? Guys like West, Iverson, Pet , Baylor, Robertson all squash him. He has never led the league in offensive win shares or PER. Post merger, his highest ever playoffs PPG is below the high mark of several players, including James, Wade, Arenas, McGrady, Jordan, Olajuowon, Bernard King, and George Gerwin. Kobe's scoring stats aren't as good as you think.

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    🏆🏆🏆🏆🏆 ElNono's Avatar
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    But he dropped 81 on Jalen Rose!

  4. #229
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    Yah he was really good for those 3 years, except when he disappeared in the playoffs. 13-33 in one elimination game they lost, and intentionally disappeared in the elimination game loss the year before that.

  5. #230
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    LOL!

    So Spur fan is still using the ignorant and childish argument that "the regular season doesn't count" ... yet when measuring individual players greatness in ANY professional or college sport has always been do ented by regular season stats.

    Son I guess guys like Dan Marino was just a scrub according to your logic ...same for any other all time greats in any sport who weren't lucky enough to play on stacked teams.
    Actually that is *your* logic.

    The best player in the world isn't going to do well in the stats from the OP if the line-up and plays aren't structured to make the numbers.

    It's a bit like saying that you can't count a lambourghini as one of the "best cars of all times" because it doesn't have a lot of trunk space.

    The car wasn't designed to have a lot of trunk space.

    Being a good, or great, player is about a *bit* more than two stats. That is limiting the definition way too narrowly, and unrealistically.

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    Lmfao...BR in full butthurt mode.

    Come on scrah.

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    some people just can't handle truth bombs when it pertains to their childhood hero

  8. #233
    SeaGOAT midnightpulp's Avatar
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    some people just can't handle truth bombs when it pertains to their childhood hero
    You mean the truth bomb that your childhood hero, Louisiana Tech's own Karl Malone, shot a pathetic .463 over his playoff career?

    .463

    That said, son, I still loves ya. In addition to your Duncan hate, you at least understand that Kobe Bryant is an overrated pile of , a "glorified Devin Brown" as you once called him, so that makes you all right in my book.

    God bless you and your family, son.

  9. #234
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    some people just can't handle truth bombs when it pertains to their childhood hero
    You are the guy who put a Breathe Right strip on his asshole and claimed to then have an open mind, correct?

  10. #235
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    I got Mj, Wilt and Kareem ahead of Kobe as greater scorers. Kobes average shooting percentage is a direct result of his poor shot selection, which may be the worst of all time. You are wasting your time knocking his shooting percentage when Ray Allen shoots about the same percentage, yet gets credit for being the greatest shooter ever. Kobe has earned status of the greatest player of his era, and a top five spot all time. For years the establishment was against him, but now hes in his golden years and the fans and writers will honor him for his efforts.
    I agree on him being behind those guys and Kobe's shot selection is ty ...too much ego. But imagine his shooting/scoring numbers if he eliminated the hero shots?

    but yet he still is the best player of his era ...

  11. #236
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    I agree on him being behind those guys and Kobe's shot selection is ty ...too much ego. But imagine his shooting/scoring numbers if he eliminated the hero shots?

    but yet he still is the best player of his era ...
    Imagine how few nut riders he would have with his name tattooed on their bodies if he was actually a team player. He wouldn't be in LA, that's for sure.

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    You are the guy who put a Breathe Right strip on his asshole and claimed to then have an open mind, correct?
    LOL sure you got that somewhere, but not bad.

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    Imagine how few nut riders he would have with his name tattooed on their bodies if he was actually a team player. He wouldn't be in LA, that's for sure.
    Kobe is a team player he just has a huge ego that makes him take dumb shots ...

  14. #239
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    Kobe is a team player



    "I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."

    Jackson became exasperated with the feuding between Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal.
    "At times the pettiness between the two of them can be unbelievably juvenile," he wrote.
    Jackson wrote that Bryant was angry that O'Neal received allowances from the Lakers organization, but that "nobody this year, or in any year I've coached, has received more 'allowances' than Kobe Bryant."
    Among those allowances was the Lakers organization's partial payment for the private jets Bryant took to Colorado for the hearings in his rape case.
    Bryant complained about the kind of plane he was given to fly to Colorado, Jackson wrote, adding "He should feel fortunate that he's not footing the bill himself."
    Jackson said he became conditioned to blame Bryant, even when it wasn't the player's fault.
    The sexual assault charge against Bryant was dismissed last month at his accuser's request, but he still faces a lawsuit filed in Denver by the woman.
    Bryant told Jackson that O'Neal's presence on the team would affect his decision to stay with the Lakers, adding, "I'm tired of being a sidekick," Jackson wrote.





    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...son-book_x.htm


    Kobe admitting he was a side kick during the 3 rings. He was Robin.

    /Kobe
    Last edited by DMC; 09-03-2011 at 01:00 AM.

  15. #240
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    LOL sure you got that somewhere, but not bad.
    No it's mine unless proven otherwise (I haven't checked).

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    "I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."

    Jackson became exasperated with the feuding between Bryant and Shaquille O'Neal.
    "At times the pettiness between the two of them can be unbelievably juvenile," he wrote.
    Jackson wrote that Bryant was angry that O'Neal received allowances from the Lakers organization, but that "nobody this year, or in any year I've coached, has received more 'allowances' than Kobe Bryant."
    Among those allowances was the Lakers organization's partial payment for the private jets Bryant took to Colorado for the hearings in his rape case.
    Bryant complained about the kind of plane he was given to fly to Colorado, Jackson wrote, adding "He should feel fortunate that he's not footing the bill himself."
    Jackson said he became conditioned to blame Bryant, even when it wasn't the player's fault.
    The sexual assault charge against Bryant was dismissed last month at his accuser's request, but he still faces a lawsuit filed in Denver by the woman.
    Bryant told Jackson that O'Neal's presence on the team would affect his decision to stay with the Lakers, adding, "I'm tired of being a sidekick," Jackson wrote.





    http://www.usatoday.com/sports/baske...son-book_x.htm


    Kobe admitting he was a side kick during the 3 rings. He was Robin.

    /Kobe
    I could post all kinds of stories of kobe working with: team-mates such as Ariza, Fisher, Devean George to help them improve or even the tips he gave Wesbrook and OJ mayo or the example e set in the 2008 Olympics ... but youd rather hold on to a book from 5 years ago ..so why bother?

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    These aren't anecdotes. These are the words of coaching legend Phil Jackson.

    Those are the words of Kobe Bryant: Sidekick

    It is what it is.


    Duncan: MVP

    Kobe: Sidekick


    Tim has never been a sidekick

  18. #243
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    Since Phil's words are gospel according to DMC, I am adding back the * to 1999 because you know Jackson the legend, is never wrong about anything ...

    So know it's

    Kobe: 5

    Duncan: 3 ... let us proceed.

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    no son the truth is ...

    Duncan: 1.5 (99 doesn't count to anyone outside of S.A., 05 he received .5 credit for co-leading with Parker, and 07 was Parker and Manu's team)

    Kobe: 1 (.5 credit for being co-leader twice with Gasol / zero credit for riding Shaq)

  20. #245
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    Since Phil's words are gospel according to DMC, I am adding back the * to 1999 because you know Jackson the legend, is never wrong about anything ...

    So know it's

    Kobe: 5

    Duncan: 3 ... let us proceed.
    Phil's opinions on Kobe supercede yours in the minds of any rational person.

    Your red herring doesn't change that.

  21. #246
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    2003 was truly the only year that Duncan put the Spurs on his back and led them. the other two championships he was never the clear cut star and had ridiculous amounts of help around him

  22. #247
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    Phil's opinions on Kobe supercede yours in the minds of any rational person.

    Your red herring doesn't change that.
    Yep he was so horrible he came back ...and what about all the lovely PJ quotes since then? I guess THOse don't count either, right? That book is like 6 years ago but I know Spur fans love to travel in their time machines ...back to a time when Tim was a better player than Kobe.

    Was right about the same time back in 2005 ...no wonder you remember that book so well ...

  23. #248
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    2003 was truly the only year that Duncan put the Spurs on his back and led them. the other two championships he was never the clear cut star and had ridiculous amounts of help around him
    I dont even mind if folks want to knock points off teh shaq led teams ...whatever. Dont get me wrong Pau is a damn good player, but Pau was getting punked by Carl freaking Landry ...

    Pau cant co-lead . he a #2 a damn good one, but a #2 never the less ...

  24. #249
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    Yep he was so horrible he came back ...and what about all the lovely PJ quotes since then? I guess THOse don't count either, right? That book is like 6 years ago but I know Spur fans love to travel in their time machines ...back to a time when Tim was a better player than Kobe.

    Was right about the same time back in 2005 ...no wonder you remember that book so well ...
    Phil had a Pau deal in his sights, and knew it was happening. He wouldn't come back to just a Kobe team. He left one, fwiw.

    What Phil said after the reconciliation does not change what occurred during the 3 rings. Stop revising history to suit your user name.

    My argument is that Kobe was not a team player, as indicated by own coach. He was a selfish, pampered prick and openly admitted being a sidekick to Shaq.

  25. #250
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    I dont even mind if folks want to knock points off teh shaq led teams ...whatever. Dont get me wrong Pau is a damn good player, but Pau was getting punked by Carl freaking Landry ...

    Pau cant co-lead . he a #2 a damn good one, but a #2 never the less ...
    Who are you ing kidding. He took the Lakers from one game and done to 3 straight Finals appearances.

    Kobe was getting punked by the Suns.

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