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"Player of the decade". SI
4× NBA Champion (1999, 2003, 2005, 2007)
3× NBA Finals MVP (1999, 2003, 2005)
2× NBA Most Valuable Player (2002–2003)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1998)
13× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2011)
9× All-NBA First Team (1998–2005, 2007)
3× All-NBA Second Team (2006, 2008–2009)
All-NBA Third Team (2010)
8× All-Defensive First Team (1999–2003, 2005, 2007–2008)
5× All-Defensive Second Team (1998, 2004, 2006, 2009–2010)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1998)
NBA All-Star Game MVP (2000)
USBWA College Player of the Year (1997)
Naismith College Player of the Year (1997)
John Wooden Award (1997)
2× ACC Player of the Year (1996–1997)
As far as individual success goes, Duncan has more MVPs and Finals MVPs than Kobe Bryant, more playoff appearences, the only player in history to win at least 2 les without an All-NBA player in that season, and the only player to be selected to All-NBA and All-Defense in his first 13 seasons.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/playof...Performances-3
#3 Finals performance ever. Where's Kobe?At #15 with his best while Merlin has two in the top 11.
Discuss.
Last edited by Leetonidas; 09-05-2011 at 11:04 AM.
"Player of the decade". SI
Kobe: 5
tired old bag Merlin: 4
Just checkin' assholes.
Irrelevant. We've been over this. Tom Heinsohn and K.C. Jones as well as Robert Horry and Steve Kerr have as many or more les than Bean. Being a role player doesn't afford you that status, sorry Cubby. So we're going on individual accomplishments to determine who is better, and for someone who is supposedly so much of a better individual player than Timmy, he sure is dominated in the individual accolades department.
You forgot to mention he's a Level 59 Druid too, probably his proudest accomplishment
Hakeem Olajuwon says hi
C'mon I'm sure he's a higher level than that.
I didn't realize Clyde Drexler wasn't a third-teamer that year
(he was. lol bump)
I'm impressed with the amount of Tim Duncan semen you've ingested. I'd like to welcome you as a card-carrying member of GLAAD
It wasn't easy. My stomach is still rather upset.
Dont forget Dungeons and Dragons King
lol Lee is MAD
I think seething is a better word
We never talked about this at 4-3 Merlin. Ipso facto:::Irrelevant. We've been over this. Tom Heinsohn and K.C. Jones as well as Robert Horry and Steve Kerr have as many or more les than Bean. Being a role player doesn't afford you that status, sorry Cubby. So we're going on individual accomplishments to determine who is better, and for someone who is supposedly so much of a better individual player than Timmy, he sure is dominated in the individual accolades department.
Kobe: 5
tired old bag Merlin: 4
is stand alone as well.
Pretty sure you joined after the 2009 finals, so I never got a chance
Tbh the impressive thing about 1994 Dream was that he basically, had the offensive responsibility Dirk had on last year's Mavs team AND the defensive responsibility of Tyson Chandler on last year's Mavs team.
1994 Hakeem might be the most impressive individual season ever.
Sure there are Kobe/dunmcan fans that overarate BOTh players ...
But the spur fans need to slam Bryant to raise Duncan is pretty damn comical, damn nearly "criminal".
Some Kobe fans diminish shaq and Pau's contributions to Kobe's rings ...while duncan devotees overestimate those same players.
Duncan disciples act as though duncan had the Washington Generals as team-mates but upstairs argue that even though Kobe may have some advantages they would have the uber-compe ive Manu over Kobe because he is more clutch and "classy" (of course) ...
And that Parker could be a star with an offense built around him ... I have read pretty much the above upstairs, though Manu and Parker have their detractors as well.
again BOTH players are all-timers, most consider Kobe the greater player but there are some folks inside b-ball (especialy those in to advance metrics) that prefer Tim.
Those on either side that act like it's not close ... are full of . But that being said ... Since Kobe has clearly been the better player since 2007 and the gap between their productivity has widened ... If it was (as I and many others thought beforethe past 4 seasons when i had Duncan ahead) how can Kobe NOT be the greater player now, when everything is looked at as a whole (career wise).
If someone on here, can make a serious non troll argument on here, I would love to hear it. duncan is still effective and efficent but we all know his last ASG nod or any other honor last year was bull- . Sure, Kobe didnt deserve all NBA defense either but his ALL-NBA and ASG start were both well deserved.
Posting duncan's accomplishments are very impressive but the last meaningful of those were earned in 2007 ...things have been declining at a more acclereated rate for duncan than it has for Kobe ever since ...
Since duncan's last ring:
Kobe has 2 rings
2 finals MVp's
3 finals appearances
Led his team to a headtohead playoff win over duncan's Spurs
2 all-star MVP's
He has not been left off 1st team all-NBA ...
Like i said many times ... BOTH are great. It's like picking between Bird and Magic but just like those 2 Bird stopped showing up in the finals in 1987 ... While Magic picked up 1 more ring, and two more finals appearances along with a couple MVP awards ....
Bird was on track to be the greater player but age/injuries derailed Bird just as it seems to have done to duncan. In 2007 duncan wa sthe better player not by a huge amount but clearly so. Now it's Kobe by a notch, and that notch is getting bigger. No disgarace there. Time just hit him sooner than Bryant.
Last edited by Killakobe81; 09-05-2011 at 12:39 PM.
I say all the above conceding that Duncan has been the more consistent Finals performer dont get me wrong 2005 and 2007 were not his best work ...
But Kobe's has been even more uneven ...great games and really poor shoting ones ...
I would take Kobe over Ginobili on the Spurs any day of the week. Tim + Kobe would have at least 10 rings.
I generally hate the Spurfan, "
Hope there's never another snoozefest like that one ever again.I generally hate the Spurfan, "
+1I generally hate the Spurfan, "
lol 2007 Cavs
tbh i assumed you meant first teamI didn't realize Clyde Drexler wasn't a third-teamer that year
(he was. lol bump)
Hakeem wasn't even a first teamer that year bro. But naw I meant all-time I think if it wast first team it would be a lot more players.
"Sure there are Kobe/dunmcan fans that overarate BOTh players ...
But the spur fans need to slam Bryant to raise Duncan is pretty damn comical, damn nearly "criminal".
Some Kobe fans diminish shaq and Pau's contributions to Kobe's rings ...while duncan devotees overestimate those same players.
Duncan disciples act as though duncan had the Washington Generals as team-mates but upstairs argue that even though Kobe may have some advantages they would have the uber-compe ive Manu over Kobe because he is more clutch and "classy" (of course) ...
And that Parker could be a star with an offense built around him ... I have read pretty much the above upstairs, though Manu and Parker have their detractors as well.
again BOTH players are all-timers, most consider Kobe the greater player but there are some folks inside b-ball (especialy those in to advance metrics) that prefer Tim.
Those on either side that act like it's not close ... are full of . But that being said ... Since Kobe has clearly been the better player since 2007 and the gap between their productivity has widened ... If it was (as I and many others thought beforethe past 4 seasons when i had Duncan ahead) how can Kobe NOT be the greater player now, when everything is looked at as a whole (career wise).
If someone on here, can make a serious non troll argument on here, I would love to hear it. duncan is still effective and efficent but we all know his last ASG nod or any other honor last year was bull- . Sure, Kobe didnt deserve all NBA defense either but his ALL-NBA and ASG start were both well deserved.
Posting duncan's accomplishments are very impressive but the last meaningful of those were earned in 2007 ...things have been declining at a more acclereated rate for duncan than it has for Kobe ever since ...
Since duncan's last ring:
Kobe has 2 rings
2 finals MVp's
3 finals appearances
Led his team to a headtohead playoff win over duncan's Spurs
2 all-star MVP's
He has not been left off 1st team all-NBA ...
Like i said many times ... BOTH are great. It's like picking between Bird and Magic but just like those 2 Bird stopped showing up in the finals in 1987 ... While Magic picked up 1 more ring, and two more finals appearances along with a couple MVP awards ....
Bird was on track to be the greater player but age/injuries derailed Bird just as it seems to have done to duncan. In 2007 duncan wa sthe better player not by a huge amount but clearly so. Now it's Kobe by a notch, and that notch is getting bigger. No disgarace there. Time just hit him sooner than Bryant."
- KobeKilla81
#1, your wrong. @2007, Duncan pretty much defined his career and it was declared the Spurs were a dynasty and that Duncan was the backbone of that Dynasty. The Lakers had their dynasty, but it was honestly attributable to the most dominant player since MJ during those 3 years, SHAQ!
#2,Bird and Magic situation is completely different. Those guys came in to the NBA at the same time and as pretty much equal players. Kobe 1996 - 2000, was mediocre. He was young, skinny and not ready to be a tru all-star. You cannot compare those years, Duncan came into the league arguably a top10/5 player.
#3, from 2001-2007. Duncan & Kobe argument starts to stand some ground. Kobe was turning into an unstoppable offensive & defensive force but not at the dominant level a 7 footer with Duncans fundamentals could achieve. Kobe's ceiling was limited to his style of play. Kobe had no post game during this time, and never distributed the ball, unless it was a flashy pass to make himself look good. Duncan on the other hand one 3 championships, in which he was clearly still the leader of the group, while still allowing his fellow players to improve and be a part of the team. Kobe at the end of 2007, pretty much gave up, whined, and threw his whole team under the bus. Something Duncan never did and nobody could ever really see doing.
#4, Since 2007, Kobe finally started to shine. I was never a Kobe fan until in 2008, when he started to play like a true leader. He really impressed me with his ability facilitate the pace of a game. Before Kobe just did his thing. Now he was trying to facilitate the defense and offensive portion of the game. His talents were on full display when he was able to play not thinking whether to score or pass. He just let the game come to him. (What Duncan had been doing since he entered the league).
From what I see, I see a greater portion of years that Duncan has been the most dominant player, than what Kobe has shown. Kobe 2001 - 2011 vs Duncan's 1997 - 2007. I'll take Duncan's, not by a wide margine, but a clear margin because Kobe's 2007 - 2011 are the only ones that match any of Duncan's pre-2008 years.
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