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LOL at you denying it. It is well written about. Kobe was the leader of the team in actual play. LeHype was the loud mouth with a reporter in front of him and a mic in his hand.
Kobe's FIBA record: 1-0 (Gold)
TD's FIBA record: 0-1 (Bronze)
Yeah, great in' help:
Not one guard shot over 45% on the team.
I'm no math major, but I counted 9 NBA all stars on that team. He had help. Unless you think they were not true all stars (including TD).Yeah, great in' help:
Not one guard shot over 45% on the team.
Give Kobe 9 all stars and I will guarantee you Gold - like 2008
Media spin. When you can't even break 50% shooting in International play while the other two big name players on your team are curbstomping the stat sheet, you ain't no "leader." Emotional leader, I'll give you, much like Derek Fisher is for the Lakers.LOL at you denying it. It is well written about. Kobe was the leader of the team in actual play. LeHype was the loud mouth with a reporter in front of him and a mic in his hand.
Kobe's FIBA record: 1-0 (Gold)
TD's FIBA record: 0-1 (Bronze)
Kobe was stinkin' it up until the gold medal game, and even then, Wade outperformed him. Not to mention, Kobe's "vaunted doberman defense" let Rudy Fernandez go off for 22 points.
And don't try to
Give Kobe 9 all stars and I will guarantee you two of them outperform him - like in 2008I'm no math major, but I counted 9 NBA all stars on that team. He had help. Unless you think they were not true all stars (including TD).
Give Kobe 9 all stars and I will guarantee you Gold - like 2008
30% against Angola.
Marbury
AI
Jefferson
Odom
Duncan
That was just a poorly constructed team . No real shooters or distributors, and poor defenders out in the perimeter...add the fact that Argentine team had been playing together for years and that USA team was doomed to fail.
2000-2003Your theory that Shaq was their best player during their 3peat years is partially true. Against the likes of New Jersey (Finals), Indiana (Finals) I agree with you. Against the likes of Portland and San Antonio, I disagree with you. Kobe owned you guys and the Blazers. Shaq? Not so much.
Shaq-1 MVP, 3 Finals MVPs
Kobe-0 and 0
Jim always played well. It was your boys Starbury and Iverson who blew major ass.
Seriously, how do those two shoot a combined 40% against Euro honkies?
They obviously weren't all of the best players available, but the talent on that roster should be enough to steamroll any non-US national team ever.
Lol A.I. 38 percent against Euro honkies.
And how is that talent supposed to steamroll anybody when half the talent is playing like ass?
So where do we place the blame then?
Lol. No. He did as the refs, but that's because Duncan is a crybaby, as we all know. He'd even if he were getting 30 freethrows per game. But if you actually watched the games (which I know you didn't since Kobe Bryant wasn't on the team), he did not have a bad Olympics.
Well there's obviously many factors explaining why the US team didn't win gold that year.
1. The team was poorly constructed, as we all acknowledge, compared to the US players available. Of course many declined to play so they had to accept it. At the end of the day though, that team still has way more talent than any other international team ever.
2. Coaching. AI and Marbury running the show for the whole tournament was probably a bad idea.
3. The Argentine team was in the middle of its best basketball years ever, and have been playing together since teenage years. The opposite is true of the US team, since they didn't have their best players and they had NOT been playing together for years...more like a 4-6 weeks in anticipation of the tournament probably.
In the small sample size of the tournament, Argentina performed very well measured against their own standards, and the opposite was true of the US.
You can blame a variety of things working together, but obviously this is a troll thread and it would be re ed to blame Duncan very much.
Agreed.
Yeah, obviously this is a troll thread, but you have dumbasses like luva and Lkrfan actually believing Duncan was the reason for the U.S. team not winning the gold, so I'm simply doing my job enlightening their re ed brains to the facts.
One fact I like is that of a certain marquee player who was the supposed leader of the '08 team shooting 30% against Angola.
Not really. This team sucks balls as a collective group.
LOL well no a sucker like lakaluva didn't watch any of the tournament that he's discussing, it's already well known here that luva really doesn't watch or know much at all about basketball. He's just from LA and a Laker fan.
The international game is more suited for NBA guards or perimeter players to dominate, in my opinion. The shortened 3PT line clearly gives NBA guys like Kobe, Wade, etc. an advantage. You can light it up in a hurry. The international game also allows way more contact that in the NBA, which really makes it tough for post players to adjust on offense. And finally the 5 foul limit is a disadvantage more so to the big men because big men typically are the guys that rack up fouls in basketball from protecting the basket, and we saw Duncan get in foul trouble in 04 during key moments of big games.
So with that said, IMO I think it's easier for perimeter NBA stars to carry national teams in international compe ion compared to star big men in the league. It's no wonder why Durant had such great success...he's 6'9" to begin with, with pterodactyl arms that allow him to shoot over anyone...yet he only had to shoot over smaller, inadequate international defenders and from a shorter 3PT line. Durant is pretty much designed to dominate international play, and he'd be choking if he didn't. If he has no problem shooting over anyone in the NBA, then he'll easily light it up in these tournaments.
So the moral of the story is?
It's safe to say now that Merlin needed Kobe to win in 2004.
I'm such a brilliant strategist at bringing you goats to the contaminated river to drink
...relative to other US teams, yes. But the talent and player's physiques themselves are FAR superior than any other non-US national team ever, that's not debatable. Everything else explaining why they didn't succeed is human error/fault. AI + Marbury obviously aren't the smartest players and decision makers, or team players in general. But no one forced them to play the way they played. No one forced Larry Brown to put a huge emphasis on those two players when he had Wade, Lebron, and Melo.
As I've explained, the Argentina team is the exact opposite. Manu, Nocioni, Scola, and even their role players from that year like Montecchia are no physically dominant specimens, nor among the best players in the league at the time. However, these players all greatly outperform their raw talent levels . And obviously that team had great chemistry that was built over several years prior..we're talking since these guys were 15, 16 years old. Those guys are practically brothers.
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You're just a dumbass. No one here would ever try to compare AI with Kobe Bryant you dumb , so it's no wonder that you can't expect a high scoring guard like AI to perform like Kobe with another dominant big man.So the moral of the story is?
It's safe to say now that Merlin needed Kobe to win in 2004.
I'm such a brilliant strategist at bringing you goats to the contaminated river to drink
I also just explained why these tournaments make it easier for NBA perimeter stars to outperform their NBA big men counter parts, AKA why Kobe and Durant did it. That doesn't mean that they're better overall players, or better NBA players.
And yet in FIBA play, Duncan's stats>Kobe's.So the moral of the story is?
It's safe to say now that Merlin needed Kobe to win in 2004.
I'm such a brilliant strategist at bringing you goats to the contaminated river to drink
Explain that.
Oh, and 30% against Angola
Hey sweetie Cry Me A River!!!
Merlin's magic wand was stolen in 2004 he couldn't do without it..Listen just like in pretty much every all star game that they've both played in Duncan routinely takes a back seat to Kobe...If Kobe was on that team he would have lorded it over Duncan and Merlin wouldn't have said because what could he say...If Kobe can handle Shaq's fat ego maniacal ass he would have literally trampled all over Merlin ....literally
Yeah he could. Like put up better numbers than Kobe Bryant and not suck ass the majority of the tournament outside of one 4 point play.Hey sweetie Cry Me A River!!!
Merlin's magic wand was stolen in 2004 he couldn't do without it..Listen just like in pretty much every all star game that they've both played in Duncan routinely takes a back seat to Kobe...If Kobe was on that team he would have lorded it over Duncan and Merlin wouldn't have said because what could he say...If Kobe can handle Shaq's fat ego maniacal ass he would have literally trampled all over Merlin ....literally
30% against Angola
CROFL now you're bringing up NBA all-star games to support your re ed argument??Hey sweetie Cry Me A River!!!
Merlin's magic wand was stolen in 2004 he couldn't do without it..Listen just like in pretty much every all star game that they've both played in Duncan routinely takes a back seat to Kobe...If Kobe was on that team he would have lorded it over Duncan and Merlin wouldn't have said because what could he say...If Kobe can handle Shaq's fat ego maniacal ass he would have literally trampled all over Merlin ....literally
I don't really get what you actually are arguing (well, obviously you're trolling). Duncan wouldn't have said because nothing would ever transpire between Kobe and Duncan because Duncan isn't Shaq. I don't believe those two players have a negative relationship, like Kobe has with Shaq. There would be no trampling, you're the only one concerned about these fantasies.
For the record Duncan didn't average more than Kobe...And yet in FIBA play, Duncan's stats>Kobe's.
Explain that.
Oh, and 30% against Angola
But many variables...namely Lebron, Wade and Melo were finally playing up to their potential now that a real leader was on the floor the vid below is just a great great great example of that..
When it was time Kobe did what Coach K brought him in to do..check it out
Hey guys, do you all remember that NBA ASG back in 2001, when Allen Iverson won the ASG MVP? He played a great All-Star Game that year, and despite Kobe, Shaq, and Tim Duncan all participating in that game, AI still came out on top, leading the East to a 1-point victory over the West.
Well, imo AI was a better overall player than Kobe, Shaq, and Duncan in 2001 and it showed in the ASG when he won MVP. AI was the star of that year's ASG, and that is the reason why he was the better overall NBA player than any of the aforementioned players.
Could Duncan Inspire Like this...
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