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    I'm waiting for Wild Cobra broke ass to show up and start defending the millionaires...

    You guys just jealous

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    Bush's flaw was not the war on terrorism but the War in Iraq.
    Bush's flaw was both. 9/11 was not an act of war by a country, but a criminal act. Al Qaeda got us to spend 12 billion a month by taking flying lessons and buying some box cutters at the hardware store. As long as we keep pumping money into this bull War on Terror, they got scoreboard on us.

    You do realize that 911 happened right? Bin Laden hated Saddam and wanted him dead for the Kuwait invasion. So this was Bush's fatal flaw... he sold it to you gullibles but not Kool..I've been connected with Geo-Political issues for quite some time now.
    This doesn't make any sense. What was Bush's fatal flaw and what exactly did he "sell to us?" The Iraqi war or the War on Terror? Or both? If it's the latter, didn't you imply you're in favor of the War on Terror? And how exactly did Bush sell me anything when I was never in favor of the Iraqi War nor the War on Terror? I have no clue what ideas you're trying to convey here.

    The central front is really Saudi - Pakistan and then Afgahnistan but we cannot attack our friends the "Saudi's" or the Paki's...clearly the war must go on for some time in Afghan you can't just pull out with the level of instability in the region with close ties to the Paki's..Once the military commanders on the ground have confirmed to the Pres that the region is "ready" then you'll see change. If we pulled out now you're doing nothing but creating a vacuum in which the Taliban will rise again much like they did after the Russians left, in which Osama created Al-Queda...You can't beat terrorism militarily but you can create conditions in which it is harder for them to thrive.
    And how will creating "a vacuum" in Afghanistan be detrimental to the United States exactly? Are you one of those paranoids who think that if radical Islam is left unchecked it'll eventually proliferate to the point where it can become a defacto military power and a legitimate global threat? Radical Islam can only go as far as Saudi Arabia's GNP will take it, and as long as we and China are sucking down oil from the Saudi's, radical Islam isn't going anywhere. Fighting a "war" on it is a profound waste of money. And to note, trying to "beat terrorism militarily" is exactly what we are trying to do. If we were sincere about "creating conditions in which it is harder for them to thrive" we would actually try to pursue alternative energy options instead of just paying lip service to it or drill off shore.

    Obama coming in and stopping the war immediately was never going to happen and if you thought that then you're actually one of the bleeding heart hate Bush at all costs liberals that wanted Obama to perform like Jesus Christ. He ended the Iraq war but there's still work in Afghanistan...all you ers that voted for him and expected miracles couldn't see the forest for the trees. You voted for him because deep inside you thought that the black man had no personal values and would come in and just do every ing thing that made your heart feel good.
    I didn't expect miracles from him, and his position on Afghanistan is precisely why I didn't vote for him, since I think "the work that has to be done there" is a bunch of bull .

    You guys are selfish just like the tea party neanderthals and can't or don't understand that change doesn't come over night..Not on big issues...including gay rights issues that must be won not by Obama's pen but by the political process itself in order to protect the very thing your fighting for in the long term. The gays rights issue for example is one that will have to be won through a grass roots effort not legislation..Obama understands this but gays like you, Dok, and Chumpdumpster don't have a ing clue.

    keep it coming and I'll keep my brilliance flowing
    Gibberish that isn't worth responding to.

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    I'm waiting for Wild Cobra broke ass to show up and start defending the millionaires...

    You guys just jealous
    Nothing is funnier than the dirt poor tea baggers like Jackass Summer and Wild Chodebrah who think cutting taxes on multi-millionaires is gonna make it so they're no longer living paycheck to paycheck.

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    I said roll back as in get rid of Bush's tax cuts on the rich so families like mine and yours (even though I highly doubt your family makes 250k) have to pay more taxes we can afford.
    why would you want this...how would it help your family...humor me even if you don't really know why this is important...

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    why would you want this...how would it help your family...humor me even if you don't really know why this is important...
    Because you need a balance budget, and you're only going to get there with spending cuts + tax increases. The national credit card has a limit. Really, you only have to look back at Clinton to see how that's done.

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    why would you want this...how would it help your family...humor me even if you don't really know why this is important...
    Because the incredibly low tax rates we have in this country right now are unsustainable. I'm fine with paying more taxes because I live in a country where if someone is breaking into my house, I can dial 9-1-1 and there'll be someone on the other line to pick up. Dumb teabaggers don't seem to realize that government services that keep this country from entering complete anarchy require money and capital. It's a in simple concept no one seems to get.

    If you want extremely low taxes, you should move to a 3rd world country like Somalia where you don't have to pay taxes but it's every gorilla for himself.

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    Bush's flaw was both. 9/11 was not an act of war by a country, but a criminal act. Al Qaeda got us to spend 12 billion a month by taking flying lessons and buying some box cutters at the hardware store. As long as we keep pumping money into this bull War on Terror, they got scoreboard on us.



    This doesn't make any sense. What was Bush's fatal flaw and what exactly did he "sell to us?" The Iraqi war or the War on Terror? Or both? If it's the latter, didn't you imply you're in favor of the War on Terror? And how exactly did Bush sell me anything when I was never in favor of the Iraqi War nor the War on Terror? I have no clue what ideas you're trying to convey here.



    And how will creating "a vacuum" in Afghanistan be detrimental to the United States exactly? Are you one of those paranoids who think that if radical Islam is left unchecked it'll eventually proliferate to the point where it can become a defacto military power and a legitimate global threat? Radical Islam can only go as far as Saudi Arabia's GNP will take it, and as long as we and China are sucking down oil from the Saudi's, radical Islam isn't going anywhere. Fighting a "war" on it is a profound waste of money. And to note, trying to "beat terrorism militarily" is exactly what we are trying to do. If we were sincere about "creating conditions in which it is harder for them to thrive" we would actually try to pursue alternative energy options instead of just paying lip service to it or drill off shore.



    I didn't expect miracles from him, and his position on Afghanistan is precisely why I didn't vote for him, since I think "the work that has to be done there" is a bunch of bull .



    Gibberish that isn't worth responding to.

    Your lack of education shows with each post..trying to imply you can't or don't understand me is glaring ignorance and an old "pump up my intellect" trick...pathetic...you're out of your league...to a black man no less...


    It was both criminal and an act of war...What are you expecting? Strictly conventional warfare with ground invasions and city by city shooting with tanks and and foxholes? Listen up numnuts Osama issued a declaration of war on the US in the mid 90's...He's been bombing infrastructure in NYC and the attack on the USS Cole In Yemen back in 2000. He literally declared War on the US..I know it's unheard of that a single person with no country can do this but he did and did so successfully I might add...Your very own argument on how he successfully accomplished this proves the point for me...


    Bush sold Americans on the Iraqi war...Got WMDs?

    After 911 if you were against the war on terror which was the Taliban in Afghan then you have no business engaging me. You're a neanderthal with no moral compass.

    Now let me chew you up and spit you out..On the one hand you state:
    Al Qaeda got us to spend 12 billion a month by taking flying lessons and buying some box cutters at the hardware store. As long as we keep pumping money into this bull War on Terror, they got scoreboard on us.
    then in the next you say:

    Are you one of those paranoids who think that if radical Islam is left unchecked it'll eventually proliferate to the point where it can become a defacto military power and a legitimate global threat?
    yes I'm one of those who think that based on recent events...are they not a military force...How many US solders have been killed Midget? or how many countries are terrorists operating in Midget...you are one ing idiot...Big-time homie...big-time

    Just stop dude...You bore me

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    I'm gonna throw the challenge flag on Bush's tax cuts. Corporate taxes are as low as they've been in 50+ years, the fact is taxing corporations less does nothing other than make it so CEOs and the ultra-rich have more money sitting in their bank account. The extremely low capital gains and dividend tax in this country is a joke.
    But one of the dangers of over taxing corporations is they can use them as a convenient excuse to outsource, lower wages, or layoff workers. Make no mistake, I agree that CEOs and corporations will often use the tax cuts to pad their own bank accounts rather than use the extra capital to grow their businesses (as they should), which in turn creates jobs, but I'd still rather them have that capital than the government, who will be even more wasteful with it.

    Right now, the government needs capital and has a huge debt to pay off, it's time to jack taxes up for corporations and get rid of the loopholes they use. Corporations are turning in record profits and all of the excess capital is going to the top, it's a in tea party myth that lower taxes are making it so the record profits are reaching the middle class.
    I have to agree with this. In a recession, the right play is often to increase taxes.

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    Because the incredibly low tax rates we have in this country right now are unsustainable. I'm fine with paying more taxes because I live in a country where if someone is breaking into my house, I can dial 9-1-1 and there'll be someone on the other line to pick up. Dumb teabaggers don't seem to realize that government services that keep this country from entering complete anarchy require money and capital. It's a in simple concept no one seems to get.

    If you want extremely low taxes, you should move to a 3rd world country like Somalia where you don't have to pay taxes but it's every gorilla for himself.

    ok. Dok you're trying but let this help you out..Listen the low taxes are sustainable in theory...the 2008 financial crisis and risky investments are what created the domino effect that resulted in the bad economy that we have today...low taxes and corporate loopholes are not how we got here. Because of the crisis the govnt had to extend it's hand to help pull us out of the mess.

    Govnt. Had to spend money on special programs, Bank bailouts, auto bailouts, housing market collapse, etc. What closing tax loopholes and increasing revenue's will accomplish is leveling the playing field but it won't change the compass of our national debt...

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    But one of the dangers of over taxing corporations is they can use them as a convenient excuse to outsource, lower wages, or layoff workers.
    There's never been a proven trend between higher taxes and outsourcing/lower wages/layoffs. Corporations keep wages as low as possible, outsource as much as possible, and layoff as many workers as possible regardless of how low/high taxes are. Business is profitability, and corporations will do whatever they can to lower expenses and improve profit. Human beings are naturally greedy, and if you give them lower taxes, it won't negate the fact they're still gonna keep as much money as they can. The notion that if we keep taxes low, corporations will be some swell corsos and give people well paying livable wages with great benefits is asinine Ronald Reagan trickle down bull .

    In addition to tax hikes, I think NAFTA should be abolished and there should be heavy tariffs on imports, that way all the outsourced jobs we have now would come back to the country.

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    Your lack of education shows with each post..trying to imply you can't or don't understand me is glaring ignorance and an old "pump up my intellect" trick...pathetic...you're out of your league...to a black man no less...
    I don't understand you half the time because you're an inarticulate dumbass.


    It was both criminal and an act of war...What are you expecting? Strictly conventional warfare with ground invasions and city by city shooting with tanks and and foxholes? Listen up numnuts Osama issued a declaration of war on the US in the mid 90's...He's been bombing infrastructure in NYC and the attack on the USS Cole In Yemen back in 2000. He literally declared War on the US..I know it's unheard of that a single person with no country can do this but he did and did so successfully I might add...Your very own argument on how he successfully accomplished this proves the point for me...
    Is Osama Bin Laden affiliated with an organized state? No. Any in' wacko can "declare war" on the United States but that doesn't mean we should invade that person's country of origin.

    Yeah? The IRA has been bombing English infrastructure for decades now. Do you see the British invading Northern Ireland? No. They handle it through criminal agencies like Interpol and our very own FBI. They don't in' climb into tanks and jets and launch a full scale invasion like that dumb Bush did. And if you can't see why doing so would be detrimental, then you're even more re ed than I thought.


    Bush sold Americans on the Iraqi war...Got WMDs?
    How does this apply to me? I never believed Saddam had WMDs. Stay on point.

    After 911 if you were against the war on terror which was the Taliban in Afghan then you have no business engaging me. You're a neanderthal with no moral compass.
    So wasting billions of dollars and sacrificing thousands of lives for something that could've been handled a lot more efficiently was the "moral thing to do?" If we were back fighting the Third Reich, I'd be inclined to agree with your point of view here, but alas, the enemy in question was a bunch of disorganized ragheads armed with 80s Soviet ordinance.

    Now let me chew you up and spit you out..On the one hand you state:


    then in the next you say:



    yes I'm one of those who think that based on recent events...are they not a military force...How many US solders have been killed Midget? or how many countries are terrorists operating in Midget...you are one ing idiot...Big-time homie...big-time

    Just stop dude...You bore me [
    No. They are not a military power. The United States lost 10 times the amount of soldiers in Vietnam. Have the NVA ever been a legitimate military power?

    Lol. Ragheads with broken down AK-47s and RPGs = military power.

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    I know personally, that if I ran a business, I'd outsource as much labor as I could even if I was operating in a country giving me all kinds of tax breaks. Executives have a responsibility to the share holders that their equity in the company is worth as much as possible, no executive doing his job correctly is gonna use more expensive domestic labor with wages that are higher than they need to be when it would save the company money to outsource manufacturing to China just because they wanna be some charitable nigs and give back to the country keeping their taxes low.

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    ok sons now this thread is getting out of control and I want to make a call to arms for white folk to try and settle the tension down in this thread. God bless and enjoy ....


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    low taxes and corporate loopholes are not how we got here.
    Tax loopholes for corporations AND deregulations allowing corporations to ship jobs overseas and greatly reduce the amount of goods made in America are how we got here.

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    Because the incredibly low tax rates we have in this country right now are unsustainable. I'm fine with paying more taxes because I live in a country where if someone is breaking into my house, I can dial 9-1-1 and there'll be someone on the other line to pick up. Dumb teabaggers don't seem to realize that government services that keep this country from entering complete anarchy require money and capital. It's a in simple concept no one seems to get.

    If you want extremely low taxes, you should move to a 3rd world country like Somalia where you don't have to pay taxes but it's every gorilla for himself.

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    DoK with the goods.

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    I don't understand you half the time because you're an inarticulate dumbass.




    Is Osama Bin Laden affiliated with an organized state? No. Any in' wacko can "declare war" on the United States but that doesn't mean we should invade that person's country of origin.

    Yeah? The IRA has been bombing English infrastructure for decades now. Do you see the British invading Northern Ireland? No. They handle it through criminal agencies like Interpol and our very own FBI. They don't in' climb into tanks and jets and launch a full scale invasion like that dumb Bush did. And if you can't see why doing so would be detrimental, then you're even more re ed than I thought.




    How does this apply to me? I never believed Saddam had WMDs. Stay on point.



    So wasting billions of dollars and sacrificing thousands of lives for something that could've been handled a lot more efficiently was the "moral thing to do?" If we were back fighting the Third Reich, I'd be inclined to agree with your point of view here, but alas, the enemy in question was a bunch of disorganized ragheads armed with 80s Soviet ordinance.



    No. They are not a military power. The United States lost 10 times the amount of soldiers in Vietnam. Have the NVA ever been a legitimate military power?

    Lol. Ragheads with broken down AK-47s and RPGs = military power.

    Hey OCD head..Osama is from the Kingdom...He's not from Afghan as I think your post implies... He was kicked out of the Kingdom because of his radical views were unabashed and he challenged them for not letting him take on Saddam during the Kuwait invasion. After he was kicked out of the Kingdom he took up residence in Sudan and then finally in Afghan were he swore loyalty to the Taliban....and midget...

    Saudi is universally referred to as The "Kingdom"... so much fail in your thread I'm not wasting my time educating a OC head

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    I actually agree with Kool that Saudi Arabia contributes more to terrorism BY FAR than any other country in the world. It's the main fund behind Al Queda but since we depend on the Saudis for oil we don't punish them for how much they contributed to 9/11. It's the elephant in the room Americans want to ignore, the wikileaks reports made it obvious how much of a joke Bush was for his "War on Terror" involving every middle eastern country other than Saudi Arabia.

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    I know personally, that if I ran a business, I'd outsource as much labor as I could even if I was operating in a country giving me all kinds of tax breaks. Executives have a responsibility to the share holders that their equity in the company is worth as much as possible, no executive doing his job correctly is gonna use more expensive domestic labor with wages that are higher than they need to be when it would save the company money to outsource manufacturing to China just because they wanna be some charitable nigs and give back to the country keeping their taxes low.
    Agreed. Running a business today is nothing more than clever manipulation of the bottom line to show as much profit as possible in your company's quarterly reports, thus keeping your shareholders happy.

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    There's never been a proven trend between higher taxes and outsourcing/lower wages/layoffs. Corporations keep wages as low as possible, outsource as much as possible, and layoff as many workers as possible regardless of how low/high taxes are. Business is profitability, and corporations will do whatever they can to lower expenses and improve profit. Human beings are naturally greedy, and if you give them lower taxes, it won't negate the fact they're still gonna keep as much money as they can. The notion that if we keep taxes low, corporations will be some swell corsos and give people well paying livable wages with great benefits is asinine Ronald Reagan trickle down bull .

    In addition to tax hikes, I think NAFTA should be abolished and there should be heavy tariffs on imports, that way all the outsourced jobs we have now would come back to the country.
    not bad

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    Hey OCD head..Osama is from the Kingdom...He's not from Afghan as I think your post implies... He was kicked out of the Kingdom because of his radical views were unabashed and he challenged them for not letting him take on Saddam during the Kuwait invasion. After he was kicked out of the Kingdom he took up residence in Sudan and then finally in Afghan were he swore loyalty to the Taliban....and midget...

    Saudi is universally referred to as The "Kingdom"... so much fail in your thread I'm not wasting my time educating a OC head
    Was he or was he not residing in Afghanistan at the time of 9/11, ?

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    Was he or was he not residing in Afghanistan at the time of 9/11, ?

    Doesn't matter your post clearly said country of Origin.

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    I actually agree with Kool that Saudi Arabia contributes more to terrorism BY FAR than any other country in the world. It's the main fund behind Al Queda but since we depend on the Saudis for oil we don't punish them for how much they contributed to 9/11. It's the elephant in the room Americans want to ignore, the wikileaks reports made it obvious how much of a joke Bush was for his "War on Terror" involving every middle eastern country other than Saudi Arabia.
    Oh yeah. As I stated earlier. But Koolaid's dumbass thinks invading Afghanistan will somehow weaken Al Qaeda, which makes no sense, considering they get the majority of their funding from the Saudis.

    And even if we get off middle east oil dependence, radical Islam won't go anywhere, because the Chinese are right behind us in the checkout line with billions in their pockets. Besides, the threat of radical Islam is WAY overblown.

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    lol how did a kool thread trolling about Duncan's contribution to the US team turn into a full-fledged political/economic debate?

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