Time to bring in D-Leaguers and Europeans. I'll bet the rookies will jump at the chance to make a paycheck.
Spurs only got Tim from lottery draw.
Manu and Tony were discovered because nobody else was paying attention to overseas players as much as the Spurs were.
Spurs ability, without Tim, to sign top players is otherwise very limited. Is why Pop will probably retire when Tim does.
Back to the table on Wednesday...not that anything productive will come from it.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...meeting_083011
back to the table this past wednesday, and no, nothing productive came from it and I haven't seen any media reports about when they'll ever meet again.
I love news updates that are like, "things are still just like they were".
So is it this Wednesday or was it last week that they met?
It was last Wednesday. I had a date recognition fail moment.
They're going to meet again tomorrow:
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/69...gain-wednesday
Mostly gloom and doom predictions about how this thing ends, but Chris Sheridan is optimistic:
http://sheridanhoops.com/2011/09/05/...theyre-saying/
Where is that paycheck going to come from? I'm not going to drop $60-$150 a seat to watch a bunch of C minus level talent. Anyone else got money burning a hole in their pockets to watch players not even good enough for Europe? If I want to watch crap basketball in the AT&T Center I'll buy a ticket to watch the lesbians go at it.
how much price per ticket to attend college games or ncaa tourneys?
i wont believe in a lock out until opening day arrives and there is no bball
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What I was trying to say from my phone was.....I hope he's right!
Owners, players agree to meet again Thursday
http://www.nba.com/2011/news/09/07/l....ap/index.html
I have no idea about what to think about all these talks.
Both sides were light years away a month ago. I don't see what could have changed in this month to bring them close enough to reach a deal.
Well the pressure hasn't really been on 'til now, has it? Now that Labor Day has passed, the chances of training camps and games being missed becomes more serious. They've just finally gotten to the point where people start getting affected if they continue to remain idle.
Still, definitely a good sign to see that both sides are at least willing to communicate.
Maybe Sheridan is right. Maybe both sides were just posturing for leverage, and they are not as far away as they seem.
My hope is that there is a big carrot being offered by the owners to the players on condition of an 82 game season that has the players motivated to be at the table.
Maybe a guarantee of 57% for the 11-12 season if 82 games are played, and then their new large cuts take effect the next year for the remainder of the CBA.
I'm just dreaming, I know.
I also think Sheridan is dreaming. A lot of it is legit how he's felt for months, but some of it is just a way to get attention for his site. This way, if he's somehow right, he's the brilliant prognosticator. Large proclamation put Stephen A. Smith back into the national media, why not Sheridan? If he's wrong, no big loss because nobody goes to his site anyway.
The only media member I'd believe at this point is Ludden because of his ties to Holt, who is supposed to be the only owner at these meetings. If Ludden comes out with an optimistic article, that's when I'll be optimistic.
Stern: 'Three weeks' to get a deal
Posted on: September 7, 2011 5:43 pm
NEW YORK -- With rhetoric toned down and secrecy at a premium, top officials from the NBA and its players' union met Wednesday for more than five hours and emerged saying they've agreed on nothing except the next meeting.
After the second high-level bargaining session in as many weeks, the two sides will meet on consecutives days for the first time since the lockout was imposed July 1. Sticking to a mutual agreement not to charaterize the talks or divulge details, lead negotiators from both sides acknowledged that time was running out to get a deal that would avert a shortened or canceled season.
When asked if there was still time to achieve such a negotiating breakthrough, commissioner David Stern said, "Yes. We have three weeks."
With that, Stern dropped the first publicly acknowledged deadline for a deal to be reached without canceling at least a portion of training camps or preseason. Three weeks from Wednesday is Sept. 28, and training camps league-wide are scheduled to begin the first week of October.
Asked if there is still time to agree on a new collective bargaining agreement without missing regular season games, union chief Billy Hunter said, "I think there is. I think there clearly is. There's more than enough time."
In addition to the rosters of negotiators present at the most recent session on Aug. 31 -- Stern, deputy commissioner Adam Silver and Spurs owner Peter Holt for the owners, and Hunter, president Derek Fisher and general counsel Ron Klempner for the players -- other members of the negotiating teams were in the room Wednesday. The players brought outside counsel Jeffrey Kessler and economist Kevin Murphy, while the league brought deputy general counsel Dan Rube. The presence of Rube, the leading expert on cap mechanics and player contracts at the league office, may have indicated a shift to more specific, system-related talks. But Stern tersely rejected the notion that Rube's presence was related to what topic areas were discussed.
The two sides will meet again Thursday, and possibly beyond, as the calendar continues its inexorable march toward the possible cancelation of preseason or even regular season games.
"We agreed that we're going to sit here for as many days as we can to see if we're going to be able to make progress," Stern said.
http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...38893/31800831
What makes me skeptical is that both sides have interest of pretending negotiating even if they aren't really doing it.
Owners have been accused by the players to the NLRB of not negotiating with good faith. All these meetings help them proving the contrary. It will also send a positive message to fans, medias and announcers that make their business work.
Players' union must keep negotiating. If they stop doing it, some players/agents will push for a desertification and it's not what the union want for the moment.
All of these meetings could very well just be a PR move while in fact, nothing significant happens. Owners are just waiting because they think time is on their side and players are waiting NRLB results.
I don't care what happens, I just want my NBA and more importantly, my Spurs on opening night in October. Get a deal done!
Owners and players finish discussions.
http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/69...rgaining-table
Well, at least everything hasn't been scrapped to the floor yet. That, in itself, is hopefuly a good sign. They wouldn't be bringing in a large group to discuss things if there was nothing to discuss.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_yl...ug=ap-nbalabor
Not much new...but nothing bad. Hopefully this falls under the "no news is good news" category.
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