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Saw those.
He should hang 'em up. What else does he have to prove?
more rumors surfacing...
colts with an 0-16 season if this is true
Saw those.
He should hang 'em up. What else does he have to prove?
oddly enough, if he is out, it will prove one more thing...
who carries their team more, Peyton or Brady?
if Colts still have a mildly successful season (7+ wins), the argument still exists, as when Brady was out, the Pats still won 11 games with a mediocre, inexperienced QB in his place and barely missed the playoffs.
if Colts completely blow ass, there shouldnt be any argument anymore, its Peyton without question.
Oh, they're going to suck. Hard.
Five wins would be a successful season for them without Manning. And with the way the Polians have been drafting, they're going to blow for quite awhile.
Garrard's gonna look weird in a Colts uni
Watch the Colts land Andrew Luck out of all this
I bet they're praying pretty hard Garrard wont be claimed by the other 20 teams ahead of them.
Cassell threw for 3,693, 21, and 11...granted he had a lot of talent around him but a 38 yr old Kerry Collins and/or Curtis Painter couldn't put up those numbers with the NFC Pro Bowl squad and a prime Bill Walsh coaching their ing team. This comparison is stupid imo
Peyton Manning is a ing boss...and this solidifies it:
http://www.vegasinsider.com/nfl/odds/las-vegas/
His absence single-handedly shifted an NFL betting line 10 POINTS, from Colts (-1) to Colts (+9).
Boss.
If Collins carries the Colts to the playoffs, oddly enough it will prove another thing...
lol Vince
Yeah Matt Cassel only inherited a stacked 16-0 team, with the best coach in football history, and made them 5 games worse and miss the playoffs. That really proves how worthless Brady was.
Good coaching makes up for ty quarterbacking more than anything else, so the Colts are ed because of that.
Fail troll is fail.
The "Brady is a system QB
And as booharv pointed out, Matt Cassel is a good QB. If Curtis Painter led the 2008 Patriots to an 11-5 record, then we might have a discussion here.
Having watched Belichick's disastrous handling of quarterbacks while he was in Cleveland, I'd be more willing to believe Brady made his system rather than the other way around.
Belichick's abortion of a stint coaching in Cleveland is another thing the "
They don't ignore it, they revise it. Instead of Belichick being a good defensive mind who couldn't run an offense and made a complete cluster out of his quarterback situation, he was a aBelichick's abortion of a stint coaching in Cleveland is another thing the "
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So do you truly think Belichick is just some okay defensive coordinator who hit the jackpot with Brady?
imo tbh fwiw I think Belichick is a defensive genius an above average offensive coach but an all time great talent at almost every position. Cassel and Brady both being good QBs isn't about Belichick being some great QB developer/coach as much as it's about Belichick having a rare eye for talent that netted a future HOF QB and a QB who's an above average starter in the late rounds.
To a certain extent, yes. Don't get me wrong- he's a really good defensive mind. He created a top-5 defense in Cleveland with two very good players (Michael Dean Perry, Eric Turner), two good players (Rob Burnett, Anthony Pleasant) and cast-off filler.
But he was NOT a good head coach overall. His offenses weren't just unimaginative- they were incompetent. Tons of false starts, delays-of-game, 12 men on the field, etc. He never figured out a way to properly utilize Eric Metcalf, by far his best offensive weapon. (Metcalf was a limited player, but Belichick was running him up the middle 15 times a game like he was a fullback.) Could not handle strong personalities in the locker room.
And he was a disaster when it came to quarterbacks. Belichick is the only coach I've ever known to:
a.) cut his starting quarterback with his team in first place and the backup/designated successor on the injured list, or
b.) bench his starting quarterback in the fourth quarter of a game his team was winning.
http://www.cleveland.com/brownshisto...122BROWNS.html
Now, there were things happening with the Browns that were beyond his control. Obviously he's in a much better position in New England with Kraft as opposed to Art Modell. And he has matured as a "CEO" type, more willing to delegate and more able to handle personalities.
But yeah, I do think Tom Brady has propped him up to an extent- more so than Belichick propping Brady up, at least. And he got lucky with Brady. I think even Scott Pioli has admitted that if they really knew Brady was going to be that good they wouldn't have waited till the sixth round to draft him.
Charlies Weis is another guy who doesn't get enough credit. Terrible head coach/motivator, genius offensive coordinator.
There was also no way of knowing Brady would come into the NFL, memorize the names of every QB taken ahead of him, have the most giant chip on his shoulder just out of spite, and develop a fearlessness/toughness only great QBs have just because he was so determined to make a name for himself.
Brady woulda been successful anywhere given how much time he spent trying to get better, how intelligent he is, and how tough he was in the pocket pre-Bernard Pollard. Pocket presence/intelligence/work ethic/height with a decent arm is enough to make someone a successful QB.
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