After that SB in 2001 he most definitely gets props as a great coach. They were 2 TD dogs going against the Greatest Show on Turf (and the game was in a dome, not on grass), which included a prime Marshall Faulk, Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce, and had a sick line that included HOF LT Orlando Pace. To top it off they had the most underrated QB in history in regards to beating the blitz (which he continued to do in Zona).
In 2003 he found a way to stifle the Colts offense which had scored close to 80 points in the first two playoff games--Manning went crazy that year, but Pats held him in check.
Another game that I'm not sure anyone remembers is a regular season Monday nighter against Denver that same year...they were down by a couple scores late and he made a couple ballsy but brilliant coaching decisions that won them the game (i.e. taking a safety in a situation that didn't call for it). I forget the specifics, but I just remember it being a game that made Billy B look like a genius.
He's a great HC, imho...not a god, like some Pats fans make him out to be, but he's definitely the best defensive mind in the game.
Pats fans don't make Bill Belichick out to be a god 1/10th as much as Tom Brady haters/Peyton Manning fanboys do. Tom Brady haters claim Bill Belichick can take someone who they think woulda been a scrub with any other coach and turn him into one of the top 5 QBs of all time.
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Yeah, that's bull ...Brady would've been a good QB regardless, but having Weis and BB only makes him that much better. Same goes for BB/Weis...they needed Brady just as much if not more.
I ing hate Mo Lewis
tbh I was all over the place with Belichick when he was in Cleveland. One week he'd come up with a brilliant gameplan and just shut down a team with way better talent (49ers in '93, Cowboys in '94) and I'd think, "We're going to win a Super Bowl with this guy. He's the next great coach in this league."
Then the next week they would commit 15 penalties, most of them dead-ball BS, run Eric Metcalf between the tackles every other play and lose to a team like Cincinnati or Indianapolis and I'd think, "Fire this guy. Now. Don't even let him leave the locker room with his job."
I hear ya...his gameplans were great, but beaucoup penalties is definitely a sign of an undisciplined team that probably doesn't respect their coach during practice. My only guess is that when he started winning the players started to respect him and take seriously. Dead-ball penalties are just re ed--something Oakland loves to lead the league in every year
It was more a lack of continuity. He was constantly shuffling and re-shuffling personnel on offense- particularly quarterbacks and linemen. It was never the same group year to year, so they were never on the same page. They had six different starting quarterbacks during his five years in Cleveland. That's no way to be successful.
Defensively they had continuity. Belichick had his core on that side- Michael Dean, Eric Turner, Rob Burnett, Anthony Pleasant, James Jones, Stevon Moore. Things were a lot more settled defensively, and it showed.
You could tell at the time he'd forgotten more football, in terms of x's and o's, than most guys ever learn. But he was just so ham-fisted as a manager and as an offensive mind.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/69...ck-sources-sayMore Peyton Manning surgery
Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning had further neck surgery Thursday, sources familiar with the situation said.
Manning decided to have the surgery, the sources said, after consultation with a half-dozen doctors who reached a consensus that the most viable option would be a one-level cervical neck fusion in the wake of his May 23 surgery to repair a bulging disk. It's unclear whether Manning would be able to return to play this season.
Colts owner Jim Irsay suggested via his Twitter account, an announcement is forthcoming. On Wednesday night, Irsay tweeted: "Peyton didn't have a medical procedure last sunday, we'll have more info 2 add clarity 2 situation soon." On Thursday, Irsay tweeted: "NFL Season opens 2nite! We had a good practice yesterday and r guys r fired up 4 the season.#18's (Manning's number) out for awhile,but compete,we will/BELIEVE." And Colts coach Jim Caldwell said Thursday at a news conference he anticipated more clarity on Manning's prognosis soon.
Manning was unavailable for comment, as was his agent, Tom Condon. His father, Archie, and brother, Cooper, whose college career was ended by a severe neck injury, would not specifically address Peyton's surgical decision.
Archie Manning, a former NFL quarterback, only spoke of his son's state of mind.
"I think he's OK, probably because there's a little finality to this deal in terms of playing," the elder Manning told Mortensen. "He's been on the clock since May. He didn't make it. Obviously, it's a big letdown, but he can relax a little bit compared to the intensity of everything he has done trying to rehab."
Without confirming any pending surgery for brother Peyton, Cooper Manning told ESPN that a cervical fusion would be a logical step after his brother's slow recovery and setback last week when he experienced more upper back and neck pain.
"Everyone is different, but I've had a fusion and I've known players who have had fusions and went on to play football. ... You can get a pretty good range of motion back and much more stability once it heals," said Cooper, the oldest of three brothers that include quarterbacks Peyton and Eli.
Cooper said he did not have specific knowledge on a decision regarding another operation for Peyton.
"You know Peyton and how he values his privacy even within a very tight family like we have," he said. "We've exchanged some short texts and I've given him his space. He's had a lot going on."
Just saw that on NFL network...Colts are officially in the Luck sweepstakes
There will be a massive group suicide in Houston if the Texans find a way to screw this up.
people who think Bill entirely Brady are ing re ed. however the dink and dunk, efficient offensive systems that they ran early in Brady's career most certainly helped him become the QB he is today, earning him massive confidence especially with super bowl victories. the way he developed from being viewed as mediocre with a weak arm and poor at making reads, to having one of the best arms and being as good as any QB at reading defenses is incredibly respectable. dude has put a LOT of work into his game, despite not being the most naturally talented or gifted guy around, and it has definitely paid off, and is a great example for all young players.
ive said it for a couple years now, and still say it... Manning and Brady are the two greatest QBs the league has ever seen. Both have accomplished more with less than perhaps any QB ever, are putting up stats that no QB has ever came close to, and are doing it with efficiency that was unheard of until they came into the league. They have truly raised the level of expectation from the QB position. in the past, QB ratings for a season in the mid 80s were considered very solid. now? those kinds of ratings get laughed at. in the past, QB ratings for a season in the 100s were nearly unheard of, but now, its becoming what's expected of elite QBs. and we arent talking about expectations from 20-30 years ago... these have changed in the past decade (20-30 years ago, people worshipped Terry Bradshaw for throwing more INTs than TDs and a sub 60% completion).
The fact that you used to be able to mug receivers and now you can't touch them has more to do with it. Rules changes have made it way easier for quarterbacks nowadays. QBs are putting up 4,000 yard seasons like its nothing. They didn't all of a sudden become that talented.
somewhat true
better offensive schemes have helped a lot too
This I'll agree with somewhat, however if getting a QB's confidence up was as simple as using a dink and dunk offense that utilizes tight ends and the slot receiver really well, more teams would do it. Tom Brady has had a sky high confidence level since he entered the league and truly believed that his work ethic/fearlessness would make up for his lack of natural talent. At the same time, he has the same limitations now that he always has. If he was drafted by the Eagles and put in Andy Reid's offense where sustaining drives and establishing the run aren't stressed but completing deep passes is stressed, he would have sucked. If he was put in Andy Reid's offense now he might not be terrible but he wouldn't be good. It would be 2009 Brady if he didn't have Randy Moss to throw to.
His arm maybe shoulda never been viewed as "weak" but also shouldn't be viewed as one of the best in the league. His deep ball is, always has been and always will be inaccurate and inconsistent. Watch highlights of Randy Moss's 2007 or 2009 season, most of his long receptions he had to noticeably slow down for and a lot of times even come back and then catch the ball over DBs who had time to catch up with the pass that hung in the air too long and didn't go far enough. Moss is the only deep ball receiver who was smart enough/gifted enough to know where Brady's deep ball was going and get in good enough position to catch it. Every other deep ball receiver (Stallworth, Chad Jackson, Brandon Tate, etc.) who the Patriots have experimented with in the Brady era has been a flop.
Point being, playing in a dink and dunk offense at the beginning of his career didn't enable Brady to do something he couldn't do then. Last year when they got rid of Moss and went back to being a ball control offense, Brady had an MVP season. In 2009 when they completely abandoned running the ball and controlling the tempo, Brady in sucked.
Has Belichick ever won a le without cheating?
Yeah three of them.
Omg. The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!
Good grief. I am so sick of this story, and I'm sick of the people in this town speculating that the team will win very few games, if any, simply because Peyton is out.
Get a grip, people. Collins isn't a bad option. He's been in this situation before, and he's working with a veteran team. They'll be fine. It could be Painter, after all.
The most unfortunate part of all of this is if it ends Peyton's career. He deserves better than that.
I guess, if anything, we'll find out who the true fans are through this.
Get better, Peyton!
I can stomach a season ending injury but not a career ending for Manning.
DAF86 with the unintentional assist
Daf with the i follow football I really do!bads
tbh as long as the Texans are the main opposition to dethrone the Colts, you really can't ever count them out
If Peyton is out for the season they'll be last in their division tbh
You must be devestated right now.Daf with the i follow football I really do!
might be nearly last in the league
could be a blessing in disguise, maybe 1997 spurs-esque
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