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    Democrats, check in here on how awesome he did.

    Republicans, check in on how he is destroying America.

    Hard to judge his proposals without actually seeing them, but they seem pretty rockin' and rollin' - of course the issue will be the suggested tax increases on the top tier.

    Curious that one of the last things he said: "The next election is 14 months away - [Americans] can't wait 14 months" got the standing O from both parties considering its all the wackjobs in that room that are preventing progress by putting their re-electability first.

    On the political front, Obama laid the groundwork for what I believe will be the Democrats message in the 2012 elections: "Those are the guys who prevented us from doing anything in the name of politics." Bold move.

    Lastly, Obama is a damn good speaker regardless of what you feel of his politics. His level of public speaking ability should be an absolutely minimum requirement for the office of President (just as it would for a Fortune 500 CEO).

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    I taped it to watch w/my husband when he gets home. The only part I saw so far was him stopping to greet damned near everyone in the auditorium I noticed he looked very relaxed & at ease. Not a hint of tension.
    I'll come back after I watch the speech.

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    I would like to see the proposal.... After all that (wednesday, no thursday....) I hope that there is a bill forthcoming. There isn't anything that he said that I could honestly say "NO - END OF DISCUSSION" to. Everything seems pretty reasonable. Dems have to give up medicare reform, Reps have to give up super rich tax increases. It seems balanced to me. I am sure that I will be proven wrong in the next couple of posts.

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    Nothing pissed me off more than the look of disgust from Boehner every second of the speech, just cause Obama was a D and not a R. For s sake Boehner, not everything was total that Obama was talking about.

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    so to create jobs you have to spend 450 billion
    basically another stimulas that failed
    and then raise taxes
    can a democrat every do anything without saying we can do this if we increase taxes

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    I favor another stimulus bill.... especially if it can be paid for without raising taxes on those making less than $200K, cuts in defense spending and closing corporate loopholes...I just hope that Obama sticks to his guns on this bill and it doesn't let it be turned into a corporate compromised bill with no meat....

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    so to create jobs you have to spend 450 billion
    basically another stimulas that failed
    and then raise taxes
    can a democrat every do anything without saying we can do this if we increase taxes
    Ah, bold choice, ignoring the part about spending cuts. We shall see how that ignorance pans out for you.

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    You didn't know ducks is a top GOP strategist?

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    The problems with unemployment are much deeper than just a tax cut on small businesses

    it simply is not profitable for companies to do business in the U.S.,even when they are making profits hand over fists...


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    You didn't know ducks is a top GOP strategist?
    and B_D is a Democratic Strategist! LOL


    Bizarroworld is fun!

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    Ah, bold choice, ignoring the part about spending cuts. We shall see how that ignorance pans out for you.
    spending cuts just like a lower deficit he promised after he become president. THAT MY FRIEND IS a FORKED TONGUE
    spending cut my ass

    http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/

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    spending cuts just like a lower deficit he promised after he become president. THAT MY FRIEND IS a FORKED TONGUE
    spending cut my ass

    http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/
    Like I said, I would like to see a bill, I also said that everything that he proposed seems balanced (spending cuts through medi-reform and tax increases for the wealthy so each party is sacrificing a sacred cow, etc). Do you disagree?

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    The problems with unemployment are much deeper than just a tax cut on small businesses

    it simply is not profitable for companies to do business in the U.S.,even when they are making profits hand over fists...

    I favor another stimulus bill.... especially if it can be paid for without raising taxes on those making less than $200K, cuts in defense spending and closing corporate loopholes...I just hope that Obama sticks to his guns on this bill and it doesn't let it be turned into a corporate compromised bill with no meat....
    then why spend money to help them if it goes deeper then that
    fix the deeper issues then give them a stimulas

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    People still use VHS?


    Same here I TVo'd it to watch when the ball in chain gets home we will drink and smoke and listen to more lies that will motivate us not to off ourselves for another year.


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    I am for closing tax loopholes
    but 42% of people do not pay taxes
    make those people pay taxes and put it right to the debt. DO NOT LET THOSE POLICATIONS TOUCH THAT MONEY

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    ...the real problems are structural in globalization, not easily fixable...especially since the U.S, thinks of itself as the globalization capital of the world...It could take decades to fix those issues...people who are unemployed don't have decades to wait...either we pay for a stimulus now or slowly bleed to death in social benefits...

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    I guess I'm left out of this since I'm neither democrat or republican.

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    W4A1 143 43CK? Nbadan's Avatar
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    I am for closing tax loopholes
    but 42% of people do not pay taxes
    make those people pay taxes and put it right to the debt. DO NOT LET THOSE POLICATIONS TOUCH THAT MONEY
    same old mem

    Everyone pays taxes, except corporations evidently...

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    Pretty clear now that Obama wants to make en lement reform the hallmark of his presidency.

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    Just caught bits and pieces. The parts I heard did sound great (like the close the loopholes part). The thing is, I can see nothing getting done. And I can also see Barry being at fault for that (the final form of the 'American Jobs' bill being 'compromised' into an ugly monster nobody wants, like Obamacare).

    So, wait and see.

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    I can also see the tax cuts going through, but not the tax increases, which would make then even more historically low, and put the country into a bigger hole.

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    I thought it was a pretty weak plan. Honestly I wish the GOP would just pass the plan. That way when things don't turn around they could say they gave Obama everything he wanted to fix the economy.

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    Looks to me like the plan is little more than taking a bunch of things that we've already tried that didn't work and packaging them together.

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    Speeches

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    I guess I'm left out of this since I'm neither democrat or republican.
    lol

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